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Tuesday, August 13, 2013

N.C. Gov. Pat McCrory Defends New Voter ID Law

Pat McCrory is pictured in July 2012, during his campaign for governor of North Carolina. (Hal Goodtree/Flickr)

Pat McCrory is pictured in July 2012, during his campaign for governor of North Carolina. (Hal Goodtree/Flickr)

The American Civil Liberties Union says it’s going to take legal action to stop the country’s newest — and one of its most restrictive — voter ID laws, signed into law yesterday by Republican Governor Pat McCrory of North Carolina.

The new law requires voters to show government-issued photo ID cards, and outlaws college ID cards or out-of-state driver’s licenses as valid forms of identification.

The law also eliminates same-day voter registration, and allows any registered voter to challenge another’s eligibility.

“We’re requiring the same identification that you need to get almost any government services, including food stamps, including a tattoo in North Carolina, including Sudafed in North Carolina,” Gov. McCrory told Here & Now. “And we’re offering free government-issued IDs to anyone who doesn’t have one, at our local DMVs.”

An analysis by the group Democracy North Carolina found that 318,000 North Carolina voters do not have a driver’s license or other form of state-issued ID card. These are predominantly voters of color, elderly and poor voters.

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Transcript

JEREMY HOBSON, HOST:

From NPR and WBUR Boston, I'm Jeremy Hobson.

MEGHNA CHAKRABARTI, HOST:

I'm Meghna Chakrabarti, in for Robin Young. It's HERE AND NOW. Coming up, what's behind the latest delay in implementing a key part of the Affordable Care Act?

HOBSON: But first to North Carolina. The American Civil Liberties Union says it plans to take legal action to stop that state's new voter ID law. It was signed yesterday by Republican Gov. Pat McCrory, and it is perhaps the most restrictive in the country. It requires a government-issued photo ID card to vote starting in 2016. It says college ID cards or out-of-state driver's licenses are not valid for voting, and it eliminates same-day voter registration.

Gov. McCrory joins us on the line from Raleigh to discuss. Governor, welcome.

GOVERNOR PAT MCCRORY: Thanks for having me, Jeremy.

Well, you've said that this law is going to combat voter fraud. What evidence is there that voter fraud exists in North Carolina?

Well, the fact of the matter is we aren't looking for voter fraud. We never really have. And if we're naïve enough to think that there's not voter fraud in the 10th largest state in the United States of America, then I think we've got our head in the sand, especially when you have tens of millions of dollars being spent on both gubernatorial and presidential campaigns in our state.

And we have loopholes in our voting laws which frankly allow people to vote once or twice, or even more because we don't have restrictions that 34 states do have in the nation. Thirty-four states currently require some sort of identification, and so we're doing what the majority of states are doing right now throughout the United States of America.

HOBSON: But you are going the farthest with this photo ID law, and you say you don't have evidence that there's - you're just thinking that there is voter fraud happening, but you don't know.

MCCRORY: We know there are major loopholes, and we've had major campaign violations also by even my predecessors running for governor. And again with tens of millions of dollars, we have to make sure we're doing everything we can to make sure there isn't voter fraud and that one vote is one person voting.

And without the photo ID, there is no guarantee that the person voting is actually the person that is registered to vote.

HOBSON: Yeah, but you've got to...

MCCRORY: And we're doing what 34 states - so I'm not sure where this national media is saying that we have the most restrictive laws. We're requiring the same identification that you need to get almost any government services, including food stamps, including a tattoo in North Carolina, including Sudafed in North Carolina, you have to show a government-issued ID.

And we are offering free government-issued IDs to anyone who doesn't have one at our local DMVs that are located throughout North Carolina.

HOBSON: Now right now it's estimated that 318,000 voters in your state do not have a driver's license or some other form of state-issued photo ID card. These are predominately voters of color, elderly, poor voters. Are you worried that they're going to not be able to vote because of what you're doing here?

MCCRORY: First of all, we dispute some of those numbers, and - but we are offering free IDs at DMVs, and this law is not going to be enacted for another three and a half years. So people have plenty of time to get an ID. And frankly, these days you need an ID to get on an airplane, to get government services, to even get into the White House. And I think that the same qualifications should apply to voting.

HOBSON: But the argument that we hear every time you say what you have said here is that these - not everybody needs to get on an airplane or go to the White House. So they might not feel that they need to have a photo ID. They may not even be paying attention to the news today, and then they show up to vote in 2016, and it doesn't work.

MCCRORY: Well, we could use that same argument, then, for food stamps, for almost every government service you need an ID. And sooner or later in one's life, you need to have some sort of photo identification to identify who you are for almost any service. Regardless of your age or income or race or anything else, having a photo ID is a good idea, and it's a good idea for voting, and it's a good idea that 34 states require some form of ID to vote.

North Carolina had no identification required for voting, and we were actually in the minority with regard to what other states are doing.

HOBSON: Governor, the state chapter of the NAACP has called this law a poll tax dressed up in new clothes. How do you respond to that?

MCCRORY: It's totally false, and I think the rhetoric is misleading, and that is just totally - it's offensive to me that they even compare the two because then they're also saying that 34 other states are doing the same thing. And in fact where they have voter ID, the increase in election - turnout actually increased in many states. And this is just not in the South. This is throughout the Midwest and the North.

We actually have much more liberal voting laws than the state of New York. New York state, for example, doesn't even do early voting. We have two weeks of early voting. We changed some of the rules where now every precinct has to be open, where politics are not being played out by either political party on having certain precincts in certain areas to deny people the proper access.

We're now having equal access for all people. We also closed some loopholes where lobbyists don't get to bundle money anymore, and we're cleaning up some of the corruption that frankly has existed in North Carolina politics in the past.

HOBSON: Your law also eliminates a program that would pre-register high school students to vote, allowing many of them to vote right when they turn 18. Why take that away?

MCCRORY: Well again, we're one of 43 states that does not allow underage voters to pre-register because it was costing more, and frankly we think students can do that themselves, just like any other age group, to sign up to vote. And by the way, we also have a program when you get a driver's license, you can automatically sign up to vote when you get a driver's license in North Carolina.

HOBSON: Governor, when people hear this, they're going to be thinking, well, you know, if you make people have a photo ID, you're going to reduce the number of voters of color. If you don't do this pre-registration program, you're going to reduce the number of young voters. These are all good things for Republicans and bad things for Democrats.

MCCRORY: There are absolutely no statistics to back that up, but I think what you should be asking is why would people be against having a basic photo ID. We've got to make sure that every vote counts, and that's exactly what we're doing. So we're kind of surprised that the - I think the very strong rhetoric from the left that's trying to deny the protection of voting.

And that's very important to me as governor. It's one of my major responsibilities.

HOBSON: Finally, Governor, are you expecting a challenge from the Justice Department, from Attorney General Eric Holder, over this?

MCCRORY: I don't know. I mean, we've heard that people have asked him to challenge it, and of course he has every right to do that, but if he challenges North Carolina's voter ID laws, he's probably going to have to challenge at least 34 other states that are doing basically the same thing. And I don't know what his legal standing would be to do that.

I feel very comfortable. We're offering free IDs. We're giving three years' notice. You know, it's - we have several different forms of identification that are available. We're just ensuring one person, one vote, and that's the law of the land, and I'm very proud of this way that we've framed a bill also in making sure that we don't have the corruption in North Carolina politics that we've had in the past. And I'm very, very proud of that.

HOBSON: Gov. Pat McCrory, Republican of North Carolina, speaking to us from Raleigh. Governor, thank you so much.

MCCRORY: Thank you very much for having me. Take care now. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.


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  • Tohmsa Hatrman

    Defending the indefensible. Politics as usual. Did the Governor cite the number of fraudulent votes cast in recent elections? I suspect it was miniscule.

    McCrory has joined the racists, and it is not even subtle. We can expect “Whites Only” drinking fountains again in North Carolina.

    Shame, shame, shame.

    • Noremacam

      Yes how racist it is to require all races to show ID! Doesn’t he know how horrifyingly racist the 39 other states turned out as a result of passing voter ID laws?

      • musicluva

        Checkout ALL of the law and it’s restrictions. This is not just about ID’s. Early voting, early registration, Sunday voting I could go on but I’m not sure you’re listening.

        • terlet

          I’m sure you’re not really reading.

    • Beth

      So if a person is white and is being required to show photo ID that is a racist?

      • DCox

        Yes, didn’t you know. Just the fact of being white is racist.

      • musicluva

        Not only about ID Beth. Read the entire law. And if you eyes, heart and mind is open, you shall see.

    • SJLAW

      White’s only fountain? That’s so 1964. Modern racism is a subtle dance, a wink, a nod, a law overturned here, a new law enacted there–with just sprinkle of dog whistle. Viola! You’ve disenfranchised 300K people all in the name of “voter fraud.” Can you imagine if 300K gun permits were revoked for fear of fraud?

    • Boatdrink

      Tell me again what the obstacle is for blacks to get a photo ID. I cant seem to remember. The racist card is too easy to throw, you lose all credibility when its used. I suspect there was kool aid in your fountain

      • Machiavelli

        Did you really just make the argument that people are being too sensitive about racism and then end your comment with a racist statement? Haha

        • Boatdrink

          Wasn’t trying to make any statement. Would really like to know why black people cant get photo IDs. I must be a racist. I cooked a Paula Deane recipe for dinner last night.

    • it_disqus

      No the Governor did not “cite the number of fraudulent votes cast in recent elections”.

  • Donny

    Precisely why The Voting Rights Act was still needed. Thanks SCOTUS for taking yet another step backward.

  • Woz Neak

    I really don’t see what the big deal is! Every time I go to vote I am required to present some form of ID, it doesn’t have to be a Drivers Licence. As citizens of this great country we should expect to and be proud to present proof of our citizenship. This will eliminate a great deal of voter fraud that has gone on for far too long and insure that Americans have a voice in their politics.

    • sq1learning

      “This will eliminate a great deal of voter fraud that has gone on for far too long”

      Per every 10,000,000 votes cast, what is the instance of voter fraud you speak of? Oh, believe, me I already understand Woz Neak that you aren’t a social scientist and have no command whatsoever of the actual voter fraud data, nor do you have the chops to search Lexus and bring back the actual number of successful prosecutions for voter fraud in North Carolina or anywhere else.

      • guest

        I’m curious. Does any state or federal agency actually audit votes to check for voter fraud? How do we know the validity of the system?

        • it_disqus

          No. They don’t because it would be illegal to ask for ID. It’s kind of a Catch 22.

        • Beth

          I suspect that because a number of names gathered to get something on the ballot turn out to be fraudulant that some elected officials suspect a similar number of fraudulant names may be registered to vote.

          After my husband died it took me two years of showing his death certificate to get the local voter register office to get his name off the roles.

      • Woz Neak

        SQ You sir are in
        fact incorrect, in one local election we were able to discover that over 200
        dead people had voted. I believe the only people who fear identifying
        themselves are those who have something to hide. In fact one fraudulent vote is
        too many. One vote from someone who is not a citizen of this country is too
        much. I really don’t need your pseudoscience psycho babble.
        Lets just agree to disagree! Shall we :]

        • Bridgett Cash

          Over 200 dead people voting? Prove it.

          • Woz Neak

            Sure here is one example, Bridgett there are many more. You can simply google “voter fraud”

            go to this link:

            http://www.texaswatchdog.org/2008/10/dead-voters-still-registered-in-harris-county/

            Hope this helps you realize that when someone asks you to identify yourself it’s not a bad thing, We should be proud of who we are and where we live!

          • dust truck

            Woz Neak THAT IS *NOT* VOTER FRAUD.

            Sorry for the caps, but apparently you REALLY don’t get it. Are you incapable of reading? Those are lists of dead people on the registrations, there is NOOOOOO evidence that they voted illegally.

        • sq1learning

          I won’t agree to disagree, In your one local election in which 200 dead people voted, that would be tremendously newsworthy. Also, for what it is worth, it would likely NOT be a problem solved by Voter ID. But, in any case, you are unwilling it would seem to provide a link to prove you are telling the truth, rather, than submitting BS in service to your cause. And, alas, so it goes.

          But make both our days and show me the credible reportage about the scandal of 200 dead people voting, I would enjoy being proven wrong.

          • Woz Neak

            If you would like a bird dog sir buy one they are very
            capable of finding the proverbial bird in the bush. As for myself I’d be disinclined to acquiesce to your request for further proof. One alone is proof enough. Had you read the entire article you would have seen at the bottom an extensive list. Quod erat demonstrandum.

          • sq1learning

            There is no extensive list in the article of anything having to do with your claim about a specific instance of fraud involving dead voters. I ask for proof and you give me nothing. So, your credibility in the grown-up world of assertion plus evidence has now shrunk to zero. Moreover, the advocates of the various bundles of vote suppression tactics do two things always: (1) they rightly claim the people they represent want voter ID, (2) they never ever not ever at all state exactly what the specifics and scope of the actual fraud problems are.

            Of course, the situation in North Carolina is made transparent by all the other measures legislated along with the voter ID requirement in the 57 page law.

            I am never surprised when my request for actual evidence is rebuffed. I know going into it what the landscape of evidence looks like. My question is merely to discover whether the person who makes an assertion actually knows about any evidence which would verify the assertion. If they don’t then, to me, they might as well be trying to convince me the earth is but thousands of years old because they ‘read it in the Bible.’

            It does surprise me that when offered a chance to prove me wrong by responding with facts, in almost every instance, my request is met with some version of, “Oh, I can’t be bothered.”

            Thus I get it that you cannot prove your assertion and you don;t care to do so. Gov. McCrory is fairly well revealed too when he asserts there is fraud in NC but he isn’t also looking for it.

          • Woz Neak

            That is what i’m trying to tell you! There is NO amount of proof you can accept because you obviously are biased. We can do this all day but it isn’t going to convince you. HERE is another example. You will refute it, even though these are proven facts, Trying to reason with you is like arguing with a drunk. I know your never surprised because you engage in circular logic. Your question was already answered by you! BUWHAHA!

            How Widespread is Voter Fraud? | 2012 Facts & Figures

            Here are the facts:

            To date, 46 states have prosecuted or convicted cases of voter fraud.

            More than 24 million voter registrations are invalid, yet remain on the rolls nation-wide.

            There are over 1.8 million dead voters still eligible on the rolls across the country.

            More than 2.75 million Americans are registered to vote in more than one state.

            True The Vote recently found 99 cases of potential felony interstate voter fraud.

            Maryland affiliates of True The Vote uncovered cases of people registering and voting after their respective deaths.

            This year, True The Vote uncovered more than 348,000 dead people on the rolls in 27 states.

            California: 49,000

            Florida: 30,000

            Texas: 28,500

            Michigan: 25,000

            Illinois: 24,000

            12 Indiana counties have more registered voters than residents.

            The Ohio Secretary of State admitted that multiple Ohio counties have more registered voters than residents.

            Federal records showed 160 counties in 19 states have over 100 percent voter registration.

            The Florida New Majority Education Fund, Democratic Party of Florida and the National Council of La Raza are currently under investigation for alleged voter registration fraud.

            How popular is Voter ID?

            74 percent of Americans support, according to The Washington Post.

            71 percent of Latinos support it, according to the PEW Research Center.
            Oh, and we don’t even want to get into the Florida Electronic mess!

          • sq1learning

            You have contributed two unsourced but relevant claims.

            To date, 46 states have prosecuted or convicted cases of voter fraud.

            True The Vote recently found 99 cases of potential felony interstate voter fraud.

            The Florida New Majority Education Fund, Democratic Party of Florida and the National Council of La Raza are currently under investigation for alleged voter registration fraud.

            Most of what you took the trouble to mention has to do with housekeeping voter registrations.

            We care, here in the rational and logical world of actual evidence supporting or falsifying claims about, well, actual credible facts. Nothing more or nothing less.

            The copy-and=paste job you did from truethevote would not past muster in any, say, college class.

            Not at all surprisingly, at the truethevote web site the claims come in fast and furious, yet, none of these claims are sourced at all. For example:

            TRUE THE VOTE RELEASES NEW EVIDENCE OF CROSS-STATE ABSENTEE VOTER FRAUD

            But, what is stated are the allegations and none of the supporting evidence. They do this time and time again throughout their bogus web site.

            But the give-away that these laws are not mainly aiming to stop voter fraud is simple: the various proponents of “election integrity” have had fifty+ years to fully document and audit and do after-the-fact forensics and create the lock-down case, and, yet, they haven’t done so.

            Registration rolls are by and large to shocking degrees inaccurate. But, creating single purpose rosters of voters by name and then doing basic searches to find duplicate voters is a very simple procedure. And, understand, if registered but-not-legal voters voted, it’s not difficult to find the bad votes.

            Unfortunately, when that Pennsylvania state rep said that the Pa. voter ID law would deliver Pa. to Romney, the cat was let out of the bag.

            There is hardly any voter fraud. http://votingrights.news21.com/article/election-fraud/

            Do you know a lawyer with a computer? Ask him or her to search Lexis for successful prosecutions for voter impersonation, say over the last twenty years and 500+ million voting instances.

            But guess the answer here: <20 <10 <5

            ROTFL

  • DCox

    Wow only 3 posts to play the race card. Impressive. I will vote for McCrory several times next election I like him so much, oh wait I won’t be able to since they passed this law.

    • proudpub

      all you have to do is get an id, or are you operating in such a way you do not want to be identified? If that is so then you fit right in with democrats.

      • Bridgett Cash

        LOL. Where is this voter fraud you think exists? So many red states have tried oh so hard to find it and so far it’s been an epic failure on the part of the tea bagger govt.

        • DCox
          • dust truck

            not fraud.

            not fraud.

            not fraud.

            not fraud.

            not fraud.

            try again.

          • DCox

            Based on? At least I provided something, Am I just supposed to take your word for it?

          • dust truck

            I don’t have time to go through YOUR OWN LINKS to point out your failure in reading comprehension.

          • DCox

            Typical. You come back at me stating “not fraud” yet you don’t offer a shred of evidence as to why these examples are false and expect me to take you at your word. “Oh, Dust truck said it wasn’t true and that’s good enough for me”. I don’t think so, I’m done.

            I won’t respond further.

          • Bob Minowicz

            I think the point is that going through every item you’ve listed to show where you’re mistaken is an awful lot of effort to go through just to convince you when you could have exercised a little critical analysis on your own. I’ll go through some basics with the first one to give you a start though.

            First, the article doesn’t show any evidence of fraud. It attempts to show simply that there are more registered voters in several Colorado counties than there are people of voting age in those counties. Along the way, it doesn’t even do a very good job of doing that.

            To show voter fraud, it would have to show that more people VOTED in a given county than there are people living it it of voting age.

            US Census data is, even in the year the actual census is taken, an estimate. There are people who don’t respond to census takers and so on. For years after a given census, the population growth is further estimated to give estimates of the population in a given non-census year. In short, there’s a potential for a margin of error, and statistics tells us that that margin of error will be highest in smaller samples, where unexpected variations can cause larger drifts from the estimates. Even so, let us assume that the estimates actually reflect the number of people living in the county of voting age.

            Let’s take the first county called out, for instance. Gilpin County had an estimated population of 5441 in 2010. That was estimated to have grown to 5491 by 2012, and increase of 50 people, or just about 0.9%. The census further estimates that 17.0% of the people in Gilpin County are under 18. As the article asserts then, this would mean an estimated 4494 possible registered voters living in the county.

            The article then goes on to state that there are “currently” 4909 registered voters Gilpin County. I’ll do you one better though. The article was written September 4, 2012. According to the actual Colorado Secretary of State voter registration statistics, as of September 1, 2012, Gilpin County actually had a total of 4939 registered voters. It’s unclear when the 4909 number came from, as I was not able to find that number reported for Gilpin County in any month of 2012.

            http://www.sos.state.co.us/pubs/elections/VoterRegNumbers/2012VoterRegNumbers.html

            Of course, the interesting bit is the fact that the report has three columns aside from the county: Active, Inactive, and Total. While the total number of registered voters was 4939, the number of inactive voters was 1799, leaving only 3140 active voters.

            Checking here:

            http://www.sos.state.co.us/pubs/elections/FAQs/VoterRegistrationFAQ.html

            you’ll find that those in the military can, by law, still be registered at their old address. These are folks that might not be caught in the census estimates, artificially lowering the effective polulation with regards to voter registration (and they would all be of voting age). You’ll also find that the deceased are often still listed on the registration database and have to be manually removed. The deceased (unless very recently deceased) almost certainly fall into the category of inactive voters.

            In any event, this all goes to show that the active number of voters (those voting in recent elections) is well bellow the number of people of voting age estimated to live in Gilpin County. Given that voter turnout may well have been even lower than that, no assertion about the relative numbers of registered voters and estimated population shows actual evidence of fraud.

          • dust truck

            No, my evidence is the very sites you quoted… that you clearly didn’t read. Each and every one of them admit that it not “exactly” fraud, which means it’s not fraud.

            READ!

      • Machiavelli

        Wow… Racist and discriminatory. Really classing up the place proudpub

  • Zee Flynn

    Apparently an accepted form of non-state issued ID is a KKK membership card.

    Good to see so much progress has taken place in these backwater southern states.

    • Noremacam

      Yes, because we all know that black people can’t get ID cards.

      • Boatdrink

        Why exactly cant black people get ID cards? What is the impediment?

        • astralweeks

          Don’t you know, minorities aren’t as smart as Zee and can’t figure out how to get an ID. Luckily for us minorities, Zee is looking out for us.

    • it_disqus

      hmmm… You seem like such an advanced thinker. I would love to hear your opinion about NY stop and frisk law.

      • Machiavelli

        Hmmmm… You seem like such a backwards thinker. I would love to hear your thoughts on more subjects but don’t think there’s any more room up your own ass for a second head.

        • it_disqus

          I like how you have your profile locked. Very Machiavellian of you.

    • DCox

      You mean the Democrat founded KKK?

      As a secret vigilante group, the Klan targeted freedmen and their allies; it sought to restore white supremacy by threats and violence, including murder, against black and white Republicans. In 1870 and 1871, the federal government passed theForce Acts, which were used to prosecute Klan crimes.[19] Prosecution of Klan crimes and enforcement of the Force Acts suppressed Klan activity. In 1874 and later, however, newly organized and openly active paramilitary organizations, such as the White League and the Red Shirts, started a fresh round of violence aimed at suppressing blacks’ voting and running Republicans out of office. These contributed to segregationist white Democrats regaining political power in all the Southern states by 1877.

      • Machiavelli

        Are you not aware of the paradigm shift that happened in American politics? Oh wait…. They don’t teach that in coloring books (aka what I assume is your only source of information and reading material)

  • Boatdrink

    Great move!! I’m very happy that we have finally taken steps to reduce voter fraud. Unfortunately this will hurt the democrats the most since they count on illegal votes to win elections. If you can’t get an ID to vote then you are too stupid to vote anyway. When you need to show an ID to buy liquor, get a welfare check, food stamps, or another subsidy no one seems to complain. This is a huge step forward and should be enacted in every state.

    • puellagina

      The funniest part of your statement is that the only (minor) voter fraud in NC was by Republicans– same as Virginia. Republicans can’t win elections if the whole populous votes, that’s why they need obstacles like this, as well as their other tactics, like using robocalls to spread false voting information and refusing to register minorities at registration drives. They are rats in a cage losing options. I’m not too worried…Yes, they won 13 seats in the NC legislature compared to the Democrat’s 5, but only because of their smarmy gerrymandering. The Democrats cast 51% of the vote last election and their numbers grow every election, as the Republican numbers shrink. Trapped rats, and the Dems will overcome this voter suppression BS like all the rest of the desperate Republican moves. These bizarre tactics are the death rattles and seizures of a movement that’s overstayed it’s time on this planet.

      • Boatdrink

        By “whole populous votes” you no doubt mean voters using names of people from cemeteries, people who don’t reside in the districts they are voting, people who vote numerous times using different names and addresses, and illegals using names and addresses of registered voters (being paid for their votes). Perhaps the increase in democratic votes is due to voters that do not really exist. Being a libertarian I tend to agree that republicans have lost touch with the voters but democrats have lost touch with reality. I’d rather have an out of touch republican in office than a liberal who does not have sense enough to know how to get a voter ID. Pretty sad!!

        • jefe68

          Out of the 197 million votes cast for federal candidates between 2002 and 2005, only 40 voters were indicted for voter fraud, according to a Department of Justice study outlined during a 2006 Congressional hearing. Only 26 of those cases, or about .00000013 percent of the votes cast, resulted in convictions or guilty pleas.

          These new Red state laws are not about voter fraud, they are about keeping power in their states and an attempt to win the White house back. Which they wont. The GOP is going to be relegated to a permanent minority party if they keep this crap up.

          • Boatdrink

            The number of those indicted has nothing to do with the frequency of the crime. Does everyone you see speeding on the road everyday get stopped? Of course not. Its not in anyone’s interest to identify and prosecute voter fraud. That does not mean it does not happen. Who honestly believes that only 40 fraudulent votes were cast in 3 years and among 197 Million votes? Does that really sound plausible to anyone?

          • Boatdrink

            40 voters indicted out of 197 million cast and you think that supports the argument that there is no voter fraud. Does that really sound like a plausible ratio to anybody. Measuring voter fraud is comparable to accounting the number of cars that are speeding at any single hour on the highway. It cannot be measured because A. no one wants to measure it and B. it cant be measured. Just because every driver is not ticketed does not mean that no one is breaking the law. If you are going to use statistics to support an argument please think about what you are saying first. Figures dont lie, but liars sure can figure

          • dust truck

            Yes, clearly that’s a sign that thousands of votes for democratic candidates are fraudulently cast. Tens of thousands! Hundreds of thousands! That’s how O’Bama stole the election! Time for a TEA PARTY revolution!

            You’re nuts Boatdrink. Sorry I have to resort to ad hominem, but really there’s no other way about it. You need to be locked up in a mental institution for your safety and the safety of those around you.

  • DisillusionedOne

    Citing voter fraud as a reason, with no proof of voter fraud. Classic. It’s even funnier that one of the reasons was to deal with campaign fraud. Campaign fraud seems like something that would be done on the higher rung of the ladder, by politicians themselves as opposed to voters. Seems like a Republican attempt to control voters. Like when they issued false flyers to confuse voters with regards to the actual date of voting.

    Don’t get me wrong, I think very little of politicians in general. Democrats, Republicans…they’re all crap. This just deepens my disillusionment.

    • it_disqus

      The host said voter fraud, not the guest.

      • astralweeks

        Don’t bother, he has a government education and didn’t actually get to reading it.

    • Boatdrink

      I like your logic but I feel that a big reason that voter fraud has not been measured is because politicians dont want it measured. Its a no win for either side to identify fraud. I’m sure that there is fraud on both sides. I think that this is less of a case of republicans attempted to control voters and more of a case of democrats worried about losing illegal voters.

      • Justus

        I’ve asked this question to a number of voter ID law supporters and NONE have been able to answer it with any sort of proof. Where are all these cases of voter fraud and why aren’t they clogging up the court system? In addition to that question, I’d like to ask you, Boatdrink, why do you assume that the voter fraud allegedly being perpetrated is ALWAYS committed by Liberals?

  • musicluva

    It’s not just ID they are requiring, the law cuts early voting from 14 days to 7 days (70% of Democrats voted early), no pre-registering 18 years old’s that turn 18 the day of or days and week before the vote, eliminating Sunday voting (that favor blacks), eliminating Student ID (even those issues by State Colleges) as a proper ID (students tend to lean Democratic) the thing they are making easier and expanding (and is easier to be fraudulent) are absentee ballots that favor Whites (86% of absentee ballots were cast by whites and 8.6% by non-whites)

    Folks this aint about voter ID fraud. If that were true they would hold up numerous in person examples of folks standing in line with their fake IDS to vote. It’s simply not the case. Period.

    This law is as silly as building a 38 billion dollar fence along the Canadian border to keep out illegals even though a minute few do make there way into the US this way. Those supported this law would be outraged at the Government for proposing such an idiotic time wasting and money wasting idea.

    If the GOP wants to continue to be relevant they can try to lie and play on prejudice and fear (losing effort) or it can come if with great ideas and sound policies that support the families and communities of those they wish to attract to the party (better, longer lasting, and more honest way of governing).

    Look into your heart. You know what’s there. No matter what you type here. Even the blind can see what’s going on.

    Too bad. The GOP does have some good ideas. This however is NOT one of them. A sad day in America.

    • Boatdrink

      Yes, even the blind can see. Everyone is tired of being sheep and letting our dishonest politicians make decisions for us. Vote out every incumbent for the next 5 elections and you’ll see change.

    • North Carolina

      I think Pat McCrory was being misleading about current Voter ID requirements in NC so I’d like to point out that NC does currently require ID to REGISTER to vote such as a NC Drivers License number or the last four digits of your Social Security number which is crossed checked with their databases to determine that you are an acutal person. And if you don’t provide that when you register, you have to show some form of ID that proves you live where you are claiming to live. So for Pat McCrory to say that NC didn’t require ANY form of ID before the Voter ID Bill is not true…what he means to say is that NC Voters were not required to show ID at the polls.

      • terlet

        You are not correct.

        • North Carolina

          What am I not correct about?

          • terlet

            NC doesn’t check identification on voters. Anyone can bring in the social of a dead person and vote.

          • North Carolina

            NC absolutely checks identification of voters, just not in the form of showing ID at the polls. If last 4 digits of your SS# is the identification provided, it is cross checked with the Social Security databases to ensure ligitimacy of that voter. When a voter is removed from the voter registration rolls because they are deceased, the date of death is looked at to ensure that there is no vote applied after their death date and if there is then it is researched. In the rare occasion someone “voted” after their date of death, it is almost always an error by a poll worker and not voter fraud.

          • terlet

            “Voter Integrity Project finds 30,000 dead people still registered to vote in North Carolina.” – per the Charlotte Observer.
            Project Veritas exposed illegal aliens registered to vote.
            In 2007, Merritt’s office uncovered 24,821 invalid driver’s license numbers and 700 invalid Social Security numbers in the voter registration database; 380 people who appeared to have voted after their deaths; and a handful of votes cast by 17-year-olds in previous election cycles.”…Carolina Journal October 26, 2010

          • North Carolina

            The reason 30,000 deceased voters are registered is because of the processes in place that limit how counties in NC are able to remove deaceased voters. If a voter is on the showing as deceased in the register of deeds or the county death report then the voter is removed. If a family member sends in a signed written statement that the voter is deceased then counties are able to remove voters. If a voter hasn’t voted in 2 federal elections and has been in “inactive” (typically meaning mail from the board of electionas has not been returned undeliverable) period, then counties are able to remove voters (often times these are deceased voters). Also, having deceased voters on the role does not directly translate to voter fraud. The Voter ID Bill does not change the process of removing deceased voters. Also, it does not require ID (only an extra witness signature) for people voting Absentee by mail which is an easier way people commit voter fraud than voting at the polls ESPECIALLY in terms of deceased voters (I say this in part because your age appears in the poll book making it hard for someone to pass as a 100 year old). Also, the problem of invalid drivers license numbers social numbers, and 17 year olds voting arrises during same day registration that occurs during early voting. However, once those IDs are found to be invalid, the voter will have to show an ID before voting in another election. So what I’m wondering it, why is it that we need to show ID every time we go to the polls? Is it going to hurt more than it is going to help? Is it going to cost more than it is going to benefit? Is there a better way to address these inaccuracies that sometimes occur, without limiting or suppressing voter turnout and creating extreme lines at the polls?

          • terlet

            Thankfully, 17-teen-year -old and same-day registration are gone as well! It’s sad that you support keeping good old boys in their lying, cheating ways in charge. Boss Hogg would’ve loved you.

          • North Carolina

            You can still register if you are 17 if you will be 18 by the General Election.

          • North Carolina

            The reason these things happen is not because the people in charge are cheaters… “They” aren’t orchestrating voter fraud or whatever it is you think is happening.

          • North Carolina

            Terlet, if you live in NC I highly recommend talking to your county board of elections and have someone explain the process of how voters of registered instead of assuming you know how it works.

          • terlet

            The Voter Registration Process
            To vote in North Carolina, a person who meets the qualifications above must sign and complete a voter registration application. When completing a voter registration application, be sure to provide your full name, residential address, date of birth, and citizenship status. In addition, do not forget to sign the form. Failure to complete a required field on the form will delay the processing of the application. After completion, send the form to the appropriate county board of elections. In order to vote in an election, the form must be received by the voter registration deadline.

          • terlet

            The end. No follow up mentioned.

          • North Carolina

            What do you mean by follow up?

          • terlet

            “last four digits of your Social Security number which is crossed checked
            with their databases to determine that you are an acutal person. And if
            you don’t provide that when you register, you have to show some form of
            ID that proves you live where you are claiming to live.” Not mentioned.

          • North Carolina

            Ask your county Board of Elections office. You cannot vote in NC if you did not provide a valid NC Drivers License number or the last 4 digits of your Social Security number on your Voter Registration Application. You have to show some form of government issued ID at the polls (utlity bill, paycheck, drivers license, photo ID, etc.). If you do not have it you have to vote a provisional ballot and you have “X” number of days to provide your ID.

  • patricody

    Thank you Governor McCrory for standing up for “Voter ID Laws” it is certainly a huge necessity in a country that does not enforce it’s borders to ensure only citizens are voting in our elections. How many other countries have such lax voter laws? Do believe that an id is a requirement to voter in Mexico.

  • sam gompers

    voting is not a “government service”

    • Beth

      Sam Gompers elaborate please. Voting is a constitutional right which is government based in some way.

      • Robert Thomas

        It’s an abridged right. The U.S. Constitution, Article VI sec. 3 prohibits a religious test for voting eligibility. Various amending articles add specific prohibitions of some other requirements for eligibility (race, sex, failure to have paid a tax etc. and a limit of denial of franchise due to age attained) but the Constitution allows denial on other grounds, as determined by each state (e.g. in some states, those having been convicted of a felony and so on).

      • Phylissa

        What?

      • sam gompers

        We have the right to vote. Government is not providing a “service.” Governor dunderhead and the GOP keep trying to change the definition of a constitutional right into a “service” in order to equate voting with obtaining a drivers license or utilities. Voting is a constitutional right. Voting laws that deny or inhibit the right to vote are unconstitutional (e.g., Poll taxes). Funny how all the 2nd amendment supporters seem to have gone silent regarding this issue.

  • R. Baxter

    It’s not comforting to me that 34 states or any number of states is taking any certain action. A whole bunch of people can agree to do something wrong. It’s important to protect individual rights against the tyranny of the majority.

    • it_disqus

      Do you feel the same about the Obamacare mandates?

      • Machiavelli

        No, because they’ve already been found constitutional. Maybe you should find something you actually understand to rant about instead of just making noise with buzzwords you’ve heard republicans say

        • it_disqus

          It is in the Constitution that States to hold their elections in the way they see fit. You want to crap on that part but then claim you stand behind the a 5-4 court ruling that does nothing to “protect individual rights against the tyranny”?

          • musicluva

            What is your answer or the GOP’s answer to Obamacare? How are we going to keep cost down and get people to pay their fair share while continuing to provide health care for all NOT just opening it up to the 38 million dollar uninsured.

            Right now even folks with health insurance are putting off getting care because the cost are becoming more and more prohibitive. You pay in but little comes back.

            And because hospitals have a mandate to care for all human beings (the insured and uninsured) those who can’t or won’t pay are subsidized by those who can. So their premiums go up to cover others cost. (Talk about Socialism)

            When this President said that he wanted an individual “mandate” requiring each person who wants health care to have to pay for it, there’s a rebuke? Weird.
            If you don’t like the answer given then in order to be taken seriously you have to have a viable answer of your own. Or you come off as silly and non-credible.

            Even Newt Gingrich, who is no friend to the Democratic Party, said as much. He said, ask any of the Political GOP/Tea Party cats at a town hall meeting, once the yelling, foaming at the mouth and screaming about the Muslim, Communist, Kenyan born Obama has calmed down, “Tell me what are some of your ideas about how to move the country forward by creating well paying jobs, repairing our infrastructure, addressing sky rocketing health care cost that’s crippling every body from middle class families to behemoths like the Pentagon?
            Betcha (like Newt said) they got nothing!

            And that’s the sad part of this entire debate. Someone making fun of or hating someone else is not only non-productive and a bridge to nowhere. It highlights a lack of leadership and intellectual vigor.

            I’ve been engaging my congress members on a local, state and national level for over 12 years about we can do to best fix our broken out of date health care system. Have you?

            I’m not a fan of the ACA as it is written. I think there are some great things but there are also many things that need to be fixed for it to work effectively.

            I only wish we had the GOP on the other side willing to engage in an honest debate on how to do so- instead of focusing on name calling. And working on meaningless legislation that only reinforces their intellectual deficit.

  • Beth

    Here in California to get energy assistance you have to show a passport, birth certificate. To get a library card I had to show my California drivers license. And N Carolina at least is offering FREE photo ID at any DMV office, which I would like to see ALL states offer

    One would hope maybe a mobile unit could be used to go to places like nursing homes and other places where folks who cannot drive or get to a DMV could get photo ID.

    • puellagina

      None of the services you list is a constitutional right, at least not in the rest of the country.

      • astralweeks

        So, since owning guns is a constitutional right, we don’t need any kind of license, permit, or certification? Thanks Mr. Low Information Voter, I’m glad to see you’re so pro-gun.

        • Christina Berg

          Not for about 40% of gun sales that are private or fall into the gun show loophole, you don’t….need any kind of license, permit, or ID in this country. I could have at least a modicum of respect for this law if NC had accepted a valid student ID or military photo ID to vote–or addressed the real area of voting fraud where it actually happens: absentee voting. Or not eliminated early voting sites and length of time. Come on. This isn’t really about eliminating fraud at all.

  • T Carey

    Republican state legislators rolled out repressive voting changes immediately after Supreme Court decision striking down a part of the voting rights act. The changes were devised in advance of court decision and immediately brought to floor after decision. Moderators could have asked Gov McCrory about the elimination of straight party voting – another casualty of the NC Republican controlled agenda.

  • sam gompers

    voting is a constitutional right. any law that inhibits one’s right to vote is unconstitutional. The state bears the burden of showing that this law meeta a compelling state interest.

    • it_disqus

      Yes, voting is a constitutional right. It also says that all states hold their own elections, so I’m not sure where you got “The state bears the burden of showing that this law meeta a compelling state interest.”

    • SJLAW

      Sorry that’s only reserved for the 2nd Amendment.

  • Phylissa

    Why is he comparing a government “service” to the constitutional right to vote?

    • it_disqus

      Why aren’t you?

      • Phylissa

        erm, you do understand there is a distinction between a “service” and a “right,” right?

        • RobertLongView

          money?

        • terlet

          And what is your response to ID required to fulfill my 2nd Amendment guaranteed right?

  • Operatenor

    Shame on the interviewer. There was a perfect opportunity to trash all of McCrory’s rationalizations, and he failed to take it. All of the government services McCrory used as examples of photo ID requirements differ from voting in one huge respect: THEY ARE NOT CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED. All he had to do was counter with that fact, and he would have blown McCrory out of the water.

    There is no journalism in this country anymore.

    • it_disqus

      You might want to read the Constitution again, because I think you are making a case for the Governor. The Constitution says that each state holds it’s elections in the way they see fit and each state must make sure only US citizens vote in federal elections.

  • puellagina

    Wow, I wish the show/interviewer had done just a little research before interviewing McCrory. What a waste of a great opportunity to examine what is going on in NC–instead, all we got from McCrory was a list of all the things people need an ID for–not one of these being a constitutional right (like voting), and none of the layers of the whole voting package McCrory just signed discussed. I suppose this is why McCrory agreed to talk to you; he won’t talk to his own constituents who have meaningful questions.

    • dirtygreek

      Unfortunately, the governor’s people would have made sure that the questions were already known. They would have pulled out of the interview if anything resembling actual journalism were to occur.

      • terlet

        Sort of like when they ask Obam how he’s feeling instead of what happened at Benghazi?

  • Robert Thomas

    Requiring presentation of some kind of identification in order to exercise the franchise isn’t in itself unreasonable, though it strikes many (including myself) as a very delicate matter, given both the nature of the franchise’s essential connection to our democracy and the long history of its malignant manipulation. The diversity of rules from state to state, and so on, adds to the potential confusion.

    I suspect that the resulting effect on voter participation will be small. It’s up to the decent citizens of each state to be vigilant that persons eligible to vote encounter as little impediment as possible and I expect that they will mostly succeed at this.

    On the other hand, there’s no doubt whatsoever which entities will benefit from any difficulty eligible citizens may have being able to vote due to the identification requirement, however small the effect turns out to be.

    What’s disheartening is the disgraceful spectacle of persons blithely claiming their advocacy is in service of protecting the people from a fraud that no one has been able to detect, let alone measure. Sadly, it’s another example the sort of vile, contemptible, cowardly lie masquerading as patriotic virtue that I’ve come to expect, from the usual quarters.

    • jefe68

      The NC law is more than just voter ID. They have legalized the privatization of poll watching which in the NC has a real bad history when it comes to voter intimidation. They have also made it harder for 18 year olds to register to vote. Shortened the voting period and this will, as it did in Florida, have a larger impact on minority districts.

      • RobertLongView

        The NAACP is correct — it is voter suppression. And partisan pandering to voter-fraud polls and pay back to his money backers. Notice how McCroy in the You Tube piece claims it is the liberal left fear-mongering. That is a political argument that i can’t define but this man has sold his soul and i am sure will the rue the day… .You Tube vidieo comments closed — i can’t even give it a thumb down! textbook definition for arrogance i know?

        • terlet

          The day the NAACP is right is the day Eric Holder stops selling arms to Mexican drug lords.

  • Sy2502

    Glad to hear somebody is finally treating the most important and crucial democratic act with at least as much respect and seriousness as buying a beer or cigarettes.

  • astralweeks

    I’ve always questioned why people oppose a photo ID to vote and can only come up with three reasons. 1: they don’t think voting is as important as, say, getting a library card or renting a movie where your ID is required. 2: they’re pro voter fraud. I find #3 the most despicable, they claim that requiring photo ID hurts minority voting, which, in essence, is saying minorities aren’t smart enough to figure out how to get a photo ID.

    • Robert Thomas

      astralweeks, I admire your egalitarian reaction. But while your trisection identifies three possibilities I can add at least a fourth.

      There’s a history of some institutions of government having unscrupulously, malignantly and dishonestly instituted outrageous and unreasonable impediments to those otherwise legitimately eligible to exercise the franchise. This state of things was real, tangible, and solidly in place well within my memory. It persisted even in the face of its stark exposure to the society, through public oration, focus brought upon it by respected leaders in public life, in many published materials including in prominent newspapers and broadcast media. In the face of all these it persisted and was vehemently defended, often with violent force. It was defended with murderous force. It was not pretty. It was not forgettable. For many of us, the current tactics under discussion unmistakably bear the odeur of earlier machinations not easily masked by a few applications of contemporary Febreze.

    • jefe68

      If the US government is going to issue Federal ID’s along with SS cards I’m not bothered. Also I think anyone over 65 or 70 should be exempt for this.

      I don’t trust the states do the right thing. Not what I’ve been witnessing in recent years by some of the Red states.

    • RobertLongView

      This new NC Voter Photo ID does not address the REAL voter fraud which is Absentee Ballots and benefits the Republican candidates. What does that fact tell you about McCrory’s credibility? Or, our Good Governors intel — the best lobbyist money can buy.

  • liberty

    There was a time, not long ago, when conservative Americans recognized the requirement of having a state issued ID as an infringement on privacy. I’m amazed the Right Wing has figured out a way to convince their base this is a good idea. Next they’ll be okay with voting chips embedded in their skin, if they can be convinced it will keep the poor man down.

    • astralweeks

      And when was that, oh ignorant one?

    • jefe68

      Actually a lot of Libertarians are siding with Democrats and Progressives on this one.

      • dust truck

        exactly. This is the racist wing of the republican party, not to be confused with the Libertarian wing, although plenty of Tea Party nuts get confused on a regular basis.

    • RobertLongView

      Yeah, just run him by any veterinarian and they can check him out — register him to vote, no doubt. But know, Big Brother (NC-VIP) is good and the NSA and IRS are bad.

  • Hypocrites_of_Hippo

    According to the July 31st YouGov poll, voter ID laws are supported by 60% of Democrats, 89% of Republicans; 62% of Independents; 59% of Black voters; and 65% of Hispanic voters. Don’t take my word for it:

    https://today.yougov.com/news/2013/07/31/democrats-back-voter-id-laws/

    Lest anyone be tempted to disparage the polling firm, YouGov does the polling for the Huffington Post.

    • Susan

      Only 39 percent of North Carolinians approve of this particular voter ID because of its other components.

      http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2013/08/north-carolinians-oppose-voter-bill.html

      • Hypocrites_of_Hippo

        Thanks! I respect Public Policy Polling as much as I respect You/Gov. Wrapping those other components around the voter ID does dramatically change reactions to the whole package. It is much like Obamacare — overwhelming support for certain components of it; but decided different results for the law as a whole. Will be interesting to see if this issue has legs and if public attitudes shift one way or the other.

  • Bridgett Cash

    So how exactly does a challenge from a tea bagger about the eligibility of a citizen to vote work? Because we know the only one’s that will challenge anyone’s right to vote are those that don’t believe in our system of govt. That don’t believe in civil rights or the constitution unless it applies to guns. Are the baggers going to challenge someone at the voting booth? Demand “proof” that they have the legal right to vote? Are those votes going to be provisional? How exactly does this work?

    • Susan

      Once a voter’s eligibility is challenged, the one bringing the challenge is required by law to leave. That’s the way the law was previously, when the challenge could only be brought by another voter in the precinct, and it appears to be the same now, although the challenge can come from any voter in the county. The precinct judges then determine whether the voter is eligible and let him proceed, or vote him provisionally if questions remain. I’ve worked elections for 20 years and have never seen a challenge. I’m going to assume most challenges are going to come before election day–right around the cut off date for registering so that if someone is removed from the poll books, they won’t have time to be added back before the election.

  • Kk

    Ashamed to b from North Carolina right now. We are sick over what this puppet governor has done.

    • terfull

      Leave. Don’t return. You are not wanted here.

  • eb

    The governor is incorrect. Government ID is not needed to fly on an airplane. It does make it a lot easier, but is not needed. I wonder what else he is wrong about.

    • DCox

      I invite you to fly without some form of ID. Let me know how far you get

      • eb

        Please take a look at the following TSA blog. People do this. Myself, I provide ID. My point is about the accuracy of facts not necessarily how easy the facts are. Again, what else is the governor wrong about.
        http://blog.tsa.gov/2013/04/tsa-travel-tips-tuesday-can-you-fly.html

        • DCox

          While technically you can fly without ID they will still confirm your identify and if they cannot you will not fly. So ID or not they are still confirming who you are.

  • jefe68

    The first lawsuit, filed by the NAACP, says that 92-year-old Rosanell Eaton will be disenfranchised after voting for 70 years.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/13/92-year-old-black-woman-sues-just-hours-after-north-carolina-gov-signs-voter-id-law/

    I wonder if the state of NC has some deep pockets and the tax payers are willing to foot the bill for this draconian laws consequences.

    • RobertLongView

      No budget money available for education or Medicaid is what NC Rep. Wells and Sen. Allran tell the faithful here.

  • Bob Minowicz

    In North Carolina, of which I am a resident, up until this point, here is how voting typically works: You register to vote, usually well in advance. Based on your address, you are assigned a poling site. You may vote early by going to one of a handful of poling sites with early voting. You may file an absentee ballot instead. Most of these votes are counted ahead of time. If there’s any question as to the validity of your ballot, it is put to the side to be counted later (and possibly only if the election is close enough for it to be significant).

    Generally, however, the majority of people go to vote at their assigned poling site on the day of the vote. When you show up, you wind your way through line (if there is one) to a table and talk to a person who asks your name and possibly your address. They look that name up in a binder that has the list of registered voters for that poling location. Assuming they find your name, you’re given a ballot and sent off to vote. If they fail to find your registration, or if you go to a poling site other than the one to which you’ve been assigned, they still give you a ballot, but you’re ballot will be put to the side, much like those in question above. It will only be counted if there are enough such ballots in a close enough race for it to be potentially significant.

    So lets say that there’s a vote and it isn’t even close. There are not enough questionable ballots that even if all of them were for the losing side, it wouldn’t be enough to change the outcome. There’s no problem.

    But instead, lets assume there’s a vote and it *is* close. Let’s say that it is close enough that the number of questionable ballots could be enough to determine the outcome. Suddenly, you’ve got yourself bogged down in the job of trying to figure out which of the questionable ballots are legitimate and which are not. Fortunately, this *almost* never happens. Races are rarely that close, and there are normally a very small number of questionable ballots.

    Can you get away with going to a dozen polling sites and voting as yourself in each of them. Only one has your registration. The other sites are going to toss you into the questionable pile. Even if they have to examine the questionable ballots to determine the outcome of the race, they’re very quickly going to notice that you voted 11 extra times.

    So, can you show up and claim to be someone other than who you really are? Yes. You just need to know the name of the voter and possibly their address. You also would do well to know their assigned polling site so you can avoid having the vote tossed in the questionable pile. If you’ve got their address, you can probably figure out their polling site. But you run into the same problem as before. You can’t then show up to 11 more sites claiming to be that same other person.

    To really manage voter fraud then, you have to show up to a dozen sites as a dozen different people, for each of which you know their name and address. Moreover, it behooves you to be sure that the person in question isn’t going to show up expecting to vote either after you, or especially not before you. When the second voter claiming to be a given person shows up you’re not only going to see the duplicate vote come into question, but also probably be asked to prove that you are who you claim or be charged with voter fraud. Best if you stick to dead voters that are still on the registration lists.

    So to do this on the massive scale required to actually influence an election’s outcome would require that you have a whole army of people with several dead registered voter’s names and addresses go to a whole lot of poling places placing fraudulent votes.

    In short, this never happens in large elections because it is fundamentally too hard to pull off in any way that would even remotely be effective. It could be attempted in small elections, but that’s where it is most likely to be noticed without any additional measures. The system as it was is not fundamentally broken. There’s no reason for an ID check because it would only eliminate a problem that doesn’t exist.

    • jefe68

      Which is why this new law is not about voter fraud. It’s about suppressing votes.

      • terlet

        If someone is too stupid to not have an ID, maybe that person IS too stupid to vote.

        • Penney Wedbetter

          you are an idiot mr toilet………..

          • terlet

            So, you don’t have ID? Or is it just minorities who need “looking after?”

      • terlet

        There are NO cases of voter suppression, yet several of voter fraud.

    • RobertLongView

      The new NC voter laws allow more “Red Shirt” poll watchers. So if somebody does show up to commit voter fraud their vigilante’s can nab the imposter ALEC style.

      • terlet

        God bless, ALEC!

        • RobertLongView

          God Bless? Better call on somebody you know.

          Vigilante justice & mob lynching are you and MCCrory’s style, eh? Jesus Christ hung his head in shame for your ignorance. Whatever it is — You, ALEC and the Koch/Pope Shills are sellin’ – I want no part of. Get thee from me Satan.

          Obviously, the above stated qualifies you as being too ignorant to vote — in my own prejudicial opinion.

          • terlet

            Well, admitting your prejudice is the first step in a long recovery.

    • North Carolina

      I live in NC and I would like to clarify some things about how we do elections, specifically Provisional and Absentee Ballots). All Provisional and Absentee Ballots are counted ALWAYS and not just in close elections and are NEVER set to the side. The Provisional Ballots however are sometimes given “partial” approval (sometimes full approval and sometimes denied depending on the reason for voting provisional) meaning that since you voted out of precinct (i.e. you did not go to your correct polling place on Election Day) you had to vote the ballot offered by the precinct you went to. The problem with voting out of your precinct is that the ballot you vote does not contain all the offices you are ELIGIBLE to vote for (and many that you are uneligible to vote for) therefore some of the votes you mark on your provisional ballot will not be counted AND all the offices you were eligible to vote for are not provided on the ballot you are voting (hince “partial” approval). NC is going to take away the “partial” approval option meaning if you vote at the incorrect precinct on election day your ballot will be denied instead of receiving “partial” approval.

      • North Carolina

        And poll workers in NC are required to ask your name and ALWAYS your address and if they don’t ask your address they are not doing their job correctly.

    • Woz Neak

      It works pretty much that way here in Utah, however, you MUST present an acceptable form of ID, and I for one have no problem with that.

      • terlet

        Only the crooks in the democratic party do. They do so in the name of those they keep shackled in poverty.

  • NC Native

    What a disappointing interview, it sounded as though Gov. McCrory had submitted his questions to the interviewer to suit his answers. I didn’t hear one challenge to his multitude of distortions. This serves nothing other than perpetuating the Republican Party line of misinformation.

  • RobertLongView

    Free Voter photo ID’s? Tax payers are picking up the tab for this NC Voter ID project. Tens of millions is what it will cost to implement the NC Voter photo ID. And yet these same politicians continue cutting education and Medicare funding because there is no budget money available.

    Apparently NC Governor McCroy “believes” you need a driving license to get food stamps. He has learned all the right-wing code words but actually this guy is just one more clueless lawyer. Try this code talk: (API legal beagle) for the rich folks (Civitas NC-VIP) Raleigh Pope.) They do not work for the earned income common folk. Next up? You can expect our NC good old boys will ram Frack Gas down our throats.

    Now what is wrong with McCrory’s good old boys’ (“Big Brother”) telling us we need an ID to live in NC? This governor is bold and times are tough. But at least he can still sleep at night because in his own words he is “still proud.”

    (http://www.southernstudies.org/2013/08/the-racist-history-of-voter-challenge-provisions-i.html

  • grandpop

    Good move govenor – fair to all

  • 1JudgeNotLestYeBeJudged1

    He’s FOS!!! We’re in a rural area with NO DMV and NO Public Transportation to get to the nearest DMV 30 miles away. We have people who can’t even walk and used to be able to pull up to the polling facility and be given a chance to vote at their cars…now that’s gone away. There are many very senior African American citizens in my town who don’t have birth certificates. The state even stopped an RV from the DMV that came to town once a month because people had no way to get 30 miles one way to do business at the DMV. The county next to us is even farther from the same DMV. How the hell are they supposed to get there? How about the MANY Seniors living in facilities? How are they supposed to get to the DMVs? They’re shut-ins! This is exactly what it is! Voter oppression to be benefit of the far right who know how the disenfranchised vote. I not only smell BS but we’re living in it here in NC.

    • RobertLongView

      u are probably out there where they will be serving Frack Water real soon, eh? well at least then you will have a job and then you can buy a used truck converted to run on natural FRACK gas — i hear it will be real cheap — real soon. :)

    • terfull

      How do welfare checks get cashed?

  • Anne Harper

    I really wish you had covered all the other elements of this law, the vigilantes at the polls, the ability to challenge a voters right to vote, anonymous campaign donations, student ID’s not being valid id, loss of tax deductions if your dependent in college votes at college instead of at home……

  • z.John Jalocha

    Where does the governor get off saying that voting is a

    government service!!!!!

    • terfull

      Or me owning guns!

  • et

    I was very disappointed in this interview. There was no rebuttal- no one challenged Gov. McCrory on his mistaken assumptions. Voting is a right- it cannot be compared to getting food stamps, flying on a plane or getting a driver’s license. Your signature is your oath and that should be enough. And the actual incidence of voter fraud is very very small. It’s like killing a mosquito with a machine gun. Shame on you for letting him speak unchallenged. NPR should be doing better than this.

  • common sense

    Wait a second…when i go into Walmart to return a pair of pants I need to
    show my drivers license. Why wouldn’t I have to show ID to Vote? NO ONE is stopping minorities from getting a state ID showing legal documents that they are US citizens. If they are NOT us taxpaying citizens…they have NO RIGHT to vote. Voting is a privilege of citizenship. I don’t go to China and tell them I have a right to vote. I’d be shot. There is becoming NO point of being a citizen anymore. Non-citizens are getting all the rights and privileges over time and DON”T have to pay taxes. Soon…illegals will have the same rights as taxpayers. SO..one of the last few things left for taxpayers…is the right to vote. We have already given illegals free medical..and TONS of other taxpayer funded services…at least let us keep the right to vote to taxpayers and law abiding citizens.

  • common

    Wait a second…when i go into Walmart to return a pair of pants I need to
    show my drivers license. Why wouldn’t I have to show ID to Vote? NO ONE is stopping minorities from getting a state ID by showing legal documents that they are US citizens. If they are NOT us taxpaying citizens…they have NO RIGHT to vote. Voting is a privilege of citizenship. I don’t go to China and tell them I have a right to vote. I’d be shot. There is becoming NO point of being a citizen anymore. Non-citizens are getting all the rights and privileges over time and DON”T have to pay taxes. Soon…illegals will have the same rights as taxpayers. SO..one of the last few things left for taxpayers…is the right to vote. We have already given illegals free medical..and TONS of other taxpayer funded services…at least let us keep the right to vote to taxpayers and law abiding citizens. And let’s make this more simplistic…what is to stop people from other states coming in to vote in place of people who don’t show up if a state doesn’t require id to make sure the real person is voting? Or..one person can go around to every voting district and vote 100 times and no one would know or be able to stop them.

    • dust truck

      Walmarts policy has nothing to do with the Government’s policy. One’s a private entity the other is a constitutional entity. I thought you Tea Party people loved the Constitution? Why don’t you try actually reading it some time instead of just handing it out at fairs and rallies?

      • Guest

        Yes, and a Constitutional entity just passed a new Voter ID law. You have a problem with that?

        • dust truck

          Just because it’s a constitutional entity doesn’t mean that its actions are legal.

          • terfull

            That’s Obamacare.

    • terfull

      Leftists don’t think minorities are smart enough to get an ID. “The niggras needs looking after.”

  • terlet

    This law is wonderful and 70% of North Carolinians support it. 80% of Americans support it as well.

  • Ace

    I’m a NC resident for the past 31 years and have seen much absurdity in that time, but never so regressive and manipulative as this. The ALEC way back machine is in full swing using fear, misdirection, manipulation and deception to the max. I’m afraid of what’s next – State sponsored religion? Loyalty oaths? More police powers? 900 were arrested protesting (many thousands participated) in trying to be heard by the ideologues and they said they didn’t care. Now how is that the democratic principle they supposedly defend and boast of? This is what promotes distrust of the government and loss of hope for the future!

  • Ace

    And… why won’t the media push for answers about absentee ballot fraud (which is more realistic)? Or even bring it up? Incompetence or complicity?

    • North Carolina

      (Speaking only about NC) I think it’s because people aren’t aware that Absentee Ballots are actually counted. Many people think that Absentee Ballots are only counted in close elections but that’s not actually true. They are counted like every other vote. And I agree, it’s way easier to commit absentee ballot fraud than fraud at the polls. HOWEVER, NC is not going to require ID for absentee ballots.

  • North Carolina

    I’d like to point out that NC does currently require ID to REGISTER to vote such as a NC Drivers License number or the last four digits of your Social Security number which is crossed checked with their databases to determine that you are an acutal person. And if you don’t provide that when you register, you have to show some form of ID that proves you live where you are claiming to live. So for Pat McCrory to say that NC didn’t require ANY form of ID before the Voter ID Bill is not true…what he means to say is that NC Voters were not required to show ID at the polls.

  • EyeMindful

    I have the current misfortune of living in this (now) sinkhole of a state called NC and was a resident of Charlotte during Pat McCrory’s reign as mayor. He is a Duke Energy employee/lackey, abetted efforts to re-segregate Charlotte-Mecklenburg Schools, dumped ton after ton of malign neglect on most neighborhoods that weren’t lily-white and churchy and even refused to sign a standard ‘Mayor’s Letter of Welcome’ to an internationally well-regarded group (Human Rights Campaign) *that chose his city for one of their conventions*.

    All anybody heard from local media before the Governor’s race here was how ‘moderate’ Pat McCrory was. He is not a moderate. He is a bought-and-paid-for Koch Bros./Art Pope weasel and he and his depraved redneck comrades are determined to subject the people of North Carolina to all manner of sick, rightwing socioeconomic experiments. Until this bunch of corrupt skeevs are out of office, you can write NC off as just another corner of the hopeless American South- which resembles a Secessionist Hillbilly Confederacy more every day.

    By the way, many of the idiots in NC who actually *voted* to be scee-rewed by these rightwing corporate creeps are ONLY concerned that people are laughing at them- because they lack the moral and ethical conscience to understand WHY they are being held in such contempt.

  • http://birtherthinktank.wordpress.com/ Squeeky Fromm

    Well, on another website, people are giving North Carolina holy
    heck about cutting back some on early voting, and guess what I just
    found? A whole bunch of states which don’t even allow early voting.
    Like:

    New York,
    Massachusetts,
    Connecticut,
    Delaware
    Rhode Island
    New Hampshire
    Pennsylvania
    Minnesota
    Michigan
    etc.

    Sooo, if a Republican state cuts back on early voting by a few days,
    that makes them mean, old racist Jim Crow-y states, where if a
    Democratic state doesn’t even have early voting at all, then that is
    just AOK??? Here’s the link. I’m assuming its correct:

    http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/absentee-and-early-voting.aspx

    Wow! Plus, Rhode Island, run by Democrats, passed Photo ID legislation.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    • RobertLongView

      apparently polling show that democratic voters vote early, but not republicans. Polls show republicans use absentee ballots more than the dems — and absentee ballotting is where there is voter fraud — but the republican legislature did not address that fraud issue — why? The new NC law is not as simple as voter ID’s, yet that is how it (RepubliCon “NC-VIP” Art Pope) was sold because that is what the public fears most — Voter ID fraud, polling shows) — it is about voter suppression of the democratic electorate — because old white male Repubs are running scared in the changing demographics of the 21st century. Scared? Angry? Thank a Republican.

  • estewart44

    The thing is this: you need to vote EVERY year, or one year – you may lose it…and because the Dems didn’t vote in 2010, all this came into play. The Supreme Court decision wouldn’t have meant so much if so many state governments had totally changed to GOP -controlled. Lesson: vote in every election, or someone may take it from you.

  • terlet

    Hey, why do have to show ID to own a gun? That’s discrimination and alienation of a disproportional amount of the population! This violates my Constitutional rights! Where’s Eric Holder to end this crime?!?

  • RobertLongView

    I am a native NC lint-head and lived here most of my life. I did not realize how conservative we are until the Republicans took control of the legislature in 2010. At the time we had a democratic governor, but in 2012 after MCCrory the Republican won — the Republicans went wild — drunk on power. Passing a marriage law supposedly to protect marriage. Then when the SCOTUS over turned the preclearance on voting rights law — the legislature went crazy and drew up this Insane Voter suppression Law to protect the “sanctity” of the vote. There is no voter fraud in NC and further NC does not have budget money for schools or the poor but they can spend millions on “Voter Suppression.” This is all the result of the SCOTUS “Citizens United” law — which has allowed Raleigh’s Art Pope to buy him a Republican lap dog governor and push his crazy Voter ID Project (google: NC VIP) and a conservative ALEC “stand your ground” Agenda.

  • terlet

    Free us from 100+ years of democratic enslavement! My people did not come here 11 generations ago to be victims of modern-day “liberals!”

  • Judith77

    Good. Too much fraud in elections.

  • terfull

    Only criminals fear voter ID.

  • terfull

    Please leave. My family’s been here nearly 300 years; we don’t want you.

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