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Monday, March 26, 2012

Supreme Court Begins Health Care Reform Arguments

At issue Monday is whether the case can even go forward in the Supreme Court. (AP)

Twenty-six states and a record 136 organizations, including the Montana Shooting Sports Association, filed briefs against President Obama’s landmark 2010 law to reform health care.

The Obama administration and groups such as the Washington and Lee University Black Lung Clinic have filed in favor. At issue Monday is whether the case can even go forward.

But also, as the Washington Post puts it, it’s an opportunity for the court to “cut loose,” because the Roberts court, under Chief Justice John Roberts, is known as a hot bench, meaning they are unusually chatty with the exception of Clarence Thomas, who hasn’t spoken a word since 2006.


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  • Haywood

    Why are we allowing nine UNELECTED people  sitting on the Supreme Court to  decide what the people should get?

    This should be decided by a vote by the people.

    “When the government has the power to make medical decisions for us, we, in essence, accept that the state owns our bodies.”
    –US Congressional Representative Ron Paul

    “If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls who live under tyranny.” Thomas Jefferson

    • John Galt

      As seen in Puncture, the AMA still sees no need to take inexpensive effective precautions to protect the people.   Therefore disease is being willfully spread and the CDC does nothing to protect us.

    • cptvideo

      Haywood, are you serious?  1. the people DID decide this (through Congress, which is way we legislate in this country) and 2. the people DID ALSO decide (through our Constitution)  that nine unelected justices would have the last word on this.
      What, exactly, are you trying to say? 

      • Antoine

        Are you serious cptvideo?  The Congress is the way we legilate in this country.
        The same Congress that answers to the special interests and the lobbyists..
        Where in the hell are you getting your news from? Oh, I forgot the same mainstream media which about 5-6 familes own over 95% of it.
        Wake up vidiot! No wonder this country is going down the tube fast.

        He who controls the media controls the world.

        “The hand that rules the press, the screen, the radio, and the far-spread magazine, rules the country”. -Judge Learned Hand, Memorial service for Justice Brandeis, December 21, 1942   (1872-1961)

    • Nagaman

      Haywood – let me present a scenario. Lets way you are a african american and lets say about 55% of Americans vote that aferican americans do not have the right to vote.  I know this is an unrealiztic scenario but lets say this happens.  Would you agree with this?  Hopefully not.  That is why we have the Supereme Court…to protect the rights of the minority in case constitutionality comes into question.

  • Antoine

    The question that should be debated here is why American so sick?Why are they the sickest on earth?Could it be their Standard American diet(SAD) of overprocessed, chemicalized, GMO ladened, dead and stale ingredients making up what is labeled “food”.American are overfed and undernourished. They eat too much, drink and smoke too much and are lazy. Besides many are ignorant of how the body functions.Science illiterates to put it plainly.So you expect me, who eats well, rarely is sick, takes NO medications, avoid doctors and the hospital at any costs to pay into a system so others can continue to maintain their bad habits of a poor diet and lifestyle.
    I should be rewards for taking care of myself, not made to obtain health insurance so others can abuse themselves to run to the doctor for some drug.
    I don’t think so, Mr Obama. I don’t need you or your creeping Police State in my life.

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  • Cucumu

    Re. your coverage: calling the Anti-injunction act “arcane” is wrong and annoying in two ways. First “arcane” means ‘secret’ or’ obscure.’ The Anti Injunction  Act is neither secret nor obscure and uses the same principal of law that regularly requires some harm to be done to some-one before a case can be brought.   

    But maybe you meant “old” when you said “arcane.”  Well, what if the law referred to murder?  Would you say that an old law (like one of the 10 commandments) that proscribed murder was “arcane?”     Come on!

  • EJP

     If we don’t have mandates those of us that are paying for health care are going to see our premiums hit the ceiling !

    • Gula

      And if you don’t make an attempt to stay healthy and stop abusing your body with junk food, tobacco, alcohol, the lack of exercise and get some rest and sunshine you are going to die.
      Screw your premiums. I’ll be damned if I will PAY for your debauchery.
      Let Nature take its course. Perish please.

  • Brethors@wildblue.net

    We will never pay any insurance company under any mandate. Here is why. Insurance companies rip you off every time-they take your money and, at least in our experience, do not ever deliver what they promise and have teams of lawyers to make sure they refuse claims. It is an unfair system, and unlike Canada or Europe or even China, there is no way to force them to return equivalent services for dollars under our totally free market health care system. They have the power and we do not, no matter what the law says. They will find loopholes. For-profit health care and our health care system ($30 for a plastic vomit basin) are the root problem. We only reward profit and for profit health care will never, never work, especially when large corporations are concerned with the bottom line.

  • Ewickham

    It’s a relatively small percentage of Americans the mandate affects. If you already have insurance or are covered my Medicare or Medicaid, you’re not subject to the mandate. If you can’t pay for insurance, you will be either eligible for financial assistance or will be given an exemption from the mandate.  The amount of the fine is also fairly small compared with the cost of buying insurance.  It’s hard to know WHEN someone will need insurance,  and insurance companies can’t decline coverage for pre-existing conditions. If people don’t buy insurance until they need insurance, the insurance companies can’t make any money.

    Make a parallel with your auto insurance. In most, if not all, states, it’s mandated. How often do you really NEED it? You buy car insurance even though you don’t really need to use it every day. The only difference I’m seeing here is that it’s the Federal government, not the state governments, that are mandating medical insurance coverage.

  • Alfred

    What is the difference between a tax or a penalty? Typical on how the bureaucrats define it. All this is by the government is another way to get you to part with your money. Their aim to to keep you in debt which most citizens are.Control is easier when you are in debt. As the German Proverb goes: he who owes loses him freedom. Americans are slaves to their gov’t. It may be called the land of the free, buts its definitely the home of the homeless.Obama health mandate just another gov’t scam.
    “The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government which likea giant octopus sprawls its slimy legs over our cities states and nation.At the head is a small group of banking houses generally referred to as’international bankers.’ This little coterie… run our government fortheir own selfish ends. It operates under cover of a self-createdscreen…[and] seizes…our executive officers… legislative bodies…schools… courts… newspapers and every agency created for the publicprotection.”  John F. Hylan(1868-1936), Mayor of New York City (1918-1925), nicknamed “Red Mike”

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