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Monday, April 23, 2012

Dartmouth Student Blows The Whistle On Fraternity Hazing

Dartmouth College in New Hampshire. (Shutterstock.com/VanHart)

Several high profile incidents of hazing are leading colleges around the country to take a closer look at their Greek organizations on campus.

Five Boston University students were found in an off-campus fraternity basement in tears, with their hands tied and covered in welts.The BU chapter of Alpha Epsilon Pi was shut down by its national leaders.

Four Cornell University students face criminal charges after a pledge was tied up and forced to drink until he passed out. He was left on a couch in the library, where he died. Cornell has now vowed to revamp the pledging process starting next year.

Binghamton University in New York has banned fraternities and sororities on campus from accepting new members while it investigates allegations of hazing.

And this month’s Rolling Stone shined a spotlight on hazing at Dartmouth College in New Hampshire.

Hazing Endemic At Dartmouth

Twenty-two-year-old Andrew Lohse, a member of Sigma Alpha Epsilon, told the magazine that hazing is endemic to Dartmouth’s culture.

He said new pledges were forced to eat food mixed with vomit; forced to swim in a kiddie pool filed with vomit and other bodily fluids; and, forced to drink alcohol until they vomited, and then forced to drink again.

Lohse said he reported these allegations to the college administration, but he said they didn’t take his allegations seriously, and he became the target of an investigation on hazing.

The college last week sentenced Lohse’s fraternity, SAE, to a three-term probationary period. And Dartmouth dean of college, Charlotte Johnson told Here & Now that they take these allegations very seriously.

Frat Sanctions Just A ‘Slap On The Wrist’

But in an email, Andrew Lohse wrote, “The sanctions against SAE are a slap on the wrist and proof that the college just isn’t serious – and proof that these organizations can lie with impunity.”

He continued: “The way the college has handled this is a strong message to the other frats: ‘Don’t worry. We don’t take this problem seriously like other schools do.’”

However, Johnson said that while she’s aware that hazing and drinking happen on college campuses across the country, she believes Dartmouth is a leader in dealing with these issues.


  • Andrew Lohse, a member of the Sigma Alpha Epsilon fraternity at Dartmouth College
  • Charlotte Johnson, Dartmouth Dean of College

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  • Guest

    Its funny that he  “blew the whistle” only after his fraternity brothers stopped wanting to be around him. It’s well known that he has a drug problem. Stop blaming your fraternity for your problems and start blaming yourself. Grow up.

    • Jan

       Are you kidding? Pay attention to the deaths and serious injuries that have been caused by hazing. Atrocious behavior. Blowing the whistle can be a good thing.

      • Guest

         The same alcohol-related deaths and injuries occur across the board. It is not just a greek problem.

    • Guest

      Sounds like you’re  a disgruntled SAE brother.

  • Anonymous

    The persistence of such bizarre, abusive conduct at fraternaties is baffling to many of us. As Mr. Lohse pointed out, Dartmouth fraternaties are populated by young men destined for the elite  of American society. The sick, weird behavior of these people and their transparent attempts to justify it raise very serious questions about their judgment. 

  • Maggie

    “Yes is illegal in this state but it happens at other schools too…” Is that really Dean Johnson’s argument?

  • Jan

    You just let the Dartmouth spokesman off way too easily. You did not ask her any pressing questions, just let her spout her p.r. statements. A missed opportunity to press the college about the details of what has gone on and why they aren’t taking more immediate and specific action. Robin, listen to BBC radio reporters for examples of how not to be afraid to ask pointed, specific questions and follow-up questions if a subject gives bland, nonresponsive answers. 

  • Guest

    I live next to a University and the alcohol/drug culture is appalling, and this topic seems closely related.  I don’t understand how students can invest their time in this kind of thing and succeed at anything. 

    I think a few arrests would sober up some of these people.  It’s as if students are somehow special under the law, entitled to vandalize, deal drugs, create a public nuisance, whatever.  What a contrast between this and the way city kids are treated – jump a turnstile once and you spend the night at Riker’s island!

  • Robinmonta

    Can you say “lip service” from the Dean?

  • Anonymous

    All of the hazing activities described by Lohse are ILLEGAL.  Responsible university administrations and national fraternity organizations take swift and severe action to stop such activities.  Want to reform it immediately?  Ban alcohol on campus and penalize repeated violations by disbanding the sponsoring organization on the campus.  It is really that simple.

  • Joy Cooke

    I grew up in Hanover, NH and used to wander around the university at night in the mid-’80′s just to see what was going on.  I had heard of Animal House but hadn’t seen it and didn’t know it was based on Dartmouth.  So there I was, a teenage girl wandering around by myself sneaking into frat parties and going completely unnoticed.  I wasn’t there to party or meet guys.  I don’t know why I did this but this is what I saw:  Plastic cups and beer on the floor and bad furniture.  The frat houses at Dartmouth were beautiful traditional buildings in a beautiful town.  The insides were bare bones hampster cages of piss and beer.  Everyone was loud and no one was interesting.  I am so glad I saw this before starting to apply to universities.  Thankfully, I ended up going to a university in Scotland.  It was an elegant time of elegant parties where we worked harder than we played.  Unfortunately, the elegance has given way to debauchery there too I hear.  At some point, students are going to have to value learning over drunkenness.  I say raise the fees until there is no extra money for beer!

  • Kkbkoss

    I attended Wesleyan College in Macon, Ga. The first two sororities, Alpha Delta Pi (1851) and Phi Mu (1852), we’re founded. After terrible hazzing, the school banned sorities in 1914. We now use a sister class system. Anyone who tries to start any similar organization to a sorority maybe subjected to expulsion.

    We have a much better school without these secret organization.

  • Lcantor13

    Dartmouth College, Dartmouth Dean and Harvey Silverglate should be ashamed of themselves.  You have got to be more forceful.  And you should start asking about the rape culture at Dartmouth that parallels the hazing/alcohol abuse culture.  Unfortunately the treatment of those who come forward, including the ex-president, is so horrendous no one will really speak out.  I think this is even more true for the women at Dartmouth.  Please start to dig further.  Maybe some alumnae would be willing to talk. 

  • Guest

    This is not about hazing rituals that involve pledges wearing beanies. This is about a deeply entrenched college tradition that condones alcohol abuse. As a former Dartmouth student I’m disgusted by the school’s fraternity scene that dominates the school’s culture and leads to social problems like alcohol poisoning and sexual assault, which the school persistently tries to cover up. The administration considers the fraternities as out of its realm of control, supposedly because they’re housed on private property, but skirts over the issue that cracking down on the system might alienate Dartmouth’s wealthy alums…

    Instead of interviewing a College Dean who just touts the official line, it would have been interesting to have heard what some of the professors think about this culture. 

  • Walker B. Carroll

    I graduated from Dartmouth in 1980, and I can attest that there was a serious problem with the frats back then.  When will the Dartmouth administration get serious about the behaviour of the frats?  I personally think that a few of the frats are going to have to be closed permanently, before you are going to get the attention of the rest.

    I also have a comment to your guest, Andrew Lohse.  There are many of us who were self confident enough to choose NOT to join a frat.  You can find many things to do without setting foot inside a frat, the most significant being taking your studies seriously.

  • Nancy

    How is it the administration allows illegal drinking without any remorse?
    I’ve seen this at so many colleges.

  • Claire Dee

    What frats and sororities are on the surface–groups of hypothetically upstanding, community oriented young men and women, is totally undermined by hazing and actually most other unofficial activities on college campuses. 

  • Dulce

    As a proud member of Greek life, stories about horrendous hazing rituals are always disheartening to hear.  Those traditions shed a poor light on all fraternities and sororities, regardless of their own actions.  I can swear up and down that my sorority never asked me to do any degrading or harmful things during my time as a pledge, or as a sister for that matter, but many people think I’m just covering something up.  They associate one hazing ritual with all Greek life.  I wish every national organization would take their anti-hazing policies more seriously (and every national organization has one of those policies), send representatives in to enforce those policies, and make it clear that the “good ol’ days” are in the past.

    • Guest2

       What’s the purpose of sororities and fraternities?

      • REAL fraternity means…

        its a brotherhood of best friends that is unmatched, connections that are incomparable, and positive memories that you will remember for the rest of your life. For example, my big was in a motorcycle accident that has permanently paralyzed him. He had 30+ brothers willing to help him with any task without any questions. How many friends do you have that in a gun fight, would be willing to step in front of the gun so you could live? I do not know about you, but I have over 30 that would do it without thinking twice about it.

  • Kate

    I purposely did not look at any schools that had huge Greek systems. I recognize the benefit of well-run frats/sororities, but I did not want my social life to be dependent on something that could be really good or really bad. In fact, the schools that appealed the most to me had spring pledging only or no Greek system at all. I ended up going to a military school, so it became a non-issue. However, my alumni association makes a joke that we are one big (co-ed) fraternity because of how close we are and how well we network. 

    Those schools that have such horrible problems with their Greek organizations should take a long hard look at what purpose those groups serve and look at how other schools have changed the system for the benefit of all.

  • guest

    Maybe it is time for Dartmouth to do as Williams College did in the 60′s and abolish fraternities.  Yes it was painful but in the long run made campus life better and probably helped enable a smooth transition to co-education in the early 70′s. 

  • Stevie

    Pledging is a choice. The “social pressure” is something that occurs at every school, every corporation, and every facet of life and is something only we can choose to oppose on an individual level. For Mr. Lohse to blame the “problem” of pledging on this so-called pressure is a complete dismissal of his own personal responsibility and is a clear reflection of his true character. 

    As a fraternity member myself, I chose to partake in pledging, which of course included hazing. It is not about alcohol abuse, gross activities, or forcing people to do things they normally wouldn’t. We had several pledges come through our program when I was in school that chose not to consume alcohol and those choices were respected. Pledging, and the hazing that accompanies it, is designed to build bonds between the members and the prospective members. It builds friendships and trust that can not be achieved which would not normally be possible in such a short amount of time. 

    I was able to contribute in a sociable and charitable manner to both the school and the community in which the we lived both as a pledging member and as a full brother. We worked with the community to rehab a local church, did bi-annual food drives and clothing drives, and worked with the town police department to foster a cooperative relationship for both our social activities and those sponsored by the police department. Without a doubt, we did far more good for the community than any damage a few bad apples may have done from within our organization. 

    Unfortunately, Mr. Lohse fails to recognize the positive aspects of his brotherhood because he chose not to contribute positively and instead chose to partake in illegal activities which ended up getting his brother status revoked. Perhaps if he was more focused on being a contributor instead of participating in negative and destructive behavior on his own, he may have had a more positive experience with Greek life like the hundreds of thousands of us that have been able to enjoy since the beginning of Fraternities and Sororities. 

  • Greggp2727

    I’m appalled to hear of what happened at Dartmouth. I’m an SAE from Loyola university in Chicago. Not only is SAE ILAO one of the best SAEs in the country, but we’re also a top student organization at Loyola. Hazing never occurred, the pledge process was a series of tests: fraternity history, brothers names, etc. We took trips around the city to get a feel of Chicago and one to the national headquarters. That said I must confess, Loyola is a small school and there are no fraternity houses; but I like to think that if Greek life at Loyola was like that of Dartmouth, then my brothers would have been true enough to rise above such senseless acts. Ultimately, Mr Lohse had done the right thing. Transfer to Loyola any time Andrew, my brothers and I will show what an SAE can be capable of.

  • Bandb24

    After reading the comments below about the ‘rape culture’ at Dartmouth, I would think the one thing the administration doesn’t want is for parents and prospective students to know about this.
    Why doesn’t someone go to the press with this issue and see how many applicants the school has next year. That threat wd certainly spur the administration to take immediate preventative action.The myriad of issues leaking out in this mess all go to administration irresponsibility.
    I certainly don’t intend to let my kids apply to Dartmouth.

  • Katiehicks

    Bravo Andrew! My husband still involved in his national fraternity admits the hazing has gotten dangerous and out of control. My college age daughters worry about their guy friends making it through pledging. If the boys don’t call the anonymous numbers available to them and blow the whistle on these horrific and imature activites it is difficult for the universities to act. I was in a sorority and I am as close to my sorority sisters without hazing as my husband is with his fraternity brothers with it !

  • Miller

    I have just a brief comment about the 2009 criminal investigation.  As an alum and now police officer, please remember that just because criminal charges don’t happen, doesn’t mean the case lacked substance.  Criminal charges in these cases require someone to be a named victim and obviously whistle blowers and sadly, dissenters are considered unhinged and vigorously opposed.

    • GVB

      The local police had all the information the college had (and possibly more) but did not even bring charges so it is not a surprise that the campus could only make some pretty basic accusations stick. We will probably never know what accusations were true or not.

  • Jfran35

    You can find internet videos of sorority sexual hazing – where the “sisters” promote girl-girl and girl-boy activities.

    • Greggp2727

      They call those porn sites

  • DartmouthAlum

    As a Dartmouth alum, it pains me to see how quick the media is to believe the stories of a student who was kicked off campus for drug abuse.  The entire article is retaliation against his fraternity brothers for the fact that he got caught doing cocaine.  Hazing certainly exists at Dartmouth (and colleges around the country), but not as Lohse described.  He blatantly fabricated the majority of the details described and all of those quoted in this article, except perhaps the ones about drinking.  

    Alcohol abuse as well as hazing is an issue at colleges around the country, and I’m glad the point is being raised.  However, I hope that media will attempt to employ more journalistic integrity in finding and validating sources as the conversation continues.

    • Greggp2727

      SAE opposes hashing in all forms, a little bit is not good enough

  • guest

    Mr. Lohse to comment on his fraternity “concerns” – after he was
    first suspended by the college for cocaine use on campus (turned in by a fellow
    fraternity brother), then charged with witness intimidation in his cocaine case
    (threatening the very individual who reported Mr. Lohse to the authorities),
    then refusing to be a witness in the college proceedings he instigated – is
    like giving air-time to a habitual speeder who is simultaneously decrying the
    horrors of speeding all around him while pleading the fifth in his own
    case.  Mr. Lohse proclaims Stockholm
    syndrome – I had no choice, they made me do it. 
    Is also his defense for using cocaine? 
    Now, having been suspended by the “system”, Mr. Lohse wishes everyone to
    know he’s working diligently to reform it.

    tricks depend on audience distraction. 
    Wouldn’t a reputable show like Here & Now be expected to look beyond
    headlines Mr. Lohse has deftly generated – speaking on record to the Rolling
    Stone, but not as a witness to his Dartmouth college administrators – to see
    what else might be going on? 

    may very well be egregious issues in Dartmouth’s fraternity system – but why on
    earth would H&N choose Mr. Lohse as a credible source to be
    interviewed?  Because he’s in Rolling
    Stone?  This brings into question the
    quality of other H&N reporting always assumed to be robust.

  • Scribbly

    Shut up already are you kidding me, how about doing something important? If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, don’t cry about getting burned. 

  • Bill R.

    I don’t think fraternities should be in universities. I pledged at an A.T.O. Fraternity 10-20 years ago. It was miserable. I was constantly harassed and eventually urinated on by the older brothers.

    I didn’t know any better. I was an dumb 18 yr old kid in a weird place, they were 20 yr olds. I quit shortly thereafter.

    These organizations are dangerous and have no part in places of learning.

  • Jack

    Get your facts straight…

    1) Four former PLEDGES from Cornell are  charged for giving shots to a willing and already intoxicated active and then taking him home to his couch after they found his room locked and couldn’t awaken his roommate.

    2) Andrew Lohse, after doing coke in public and destroying property was reported to police by members of SAE leading to his arrest. He then attempted to intimidate those individuals and was thrown out of the fraternity. Only then did he make up rather ridiculous hazing accusations. Despite police investigation that included a covert stakeout of their pledge activities, no hazing was found. As his criminal case progressed, Lohse plastered his unfounded accusations across the campus newspaper and then signed an exclusive source deal with Rolling Stone. A fresh intensive investigation led to all charges against individuals being dropped and the chapter placed on probation for conditions from four years ago that they admitted and showed no longer exist. Lohse is proven with absolutely certainty in multiple forums to be a liar. He is actively doing everything he can to blame others for his own failures, and make a buck in the process.

    I can’t speak to BU as I’ve only seen the initial reports. The fact is this stuff always gets blown out of proportion when it comes to light, and almost always turns out not to be accurate. All of this is about PR and not actual illegal conduct or student safety. No amount of pressure or bad PR will change the student safety conditions. In fact, it has the effect of driving behavior underground where it is not monitored and is more likely to get out of hand. It is easy to pile on fraternities when you just don’t like what you think they are or what you perceive that they represent. What good comes of that though? They will always exist. We can either work together to achieve something good or we can keep beating them down and make things worse for everyone.

  • Paul Egan

    Although I am grateful to Robin Young for reply to my letter concerning the program of 18 April, my resort to the comments from listeners appended to the record of that program and finding no trace of my own, confirms suspicion that in writing to the general e-mail address one is in effect,  not to belittle Robin’s dutiful exertions, to be writing to oneself.  Hence , in regard to today’s program and its treatment of Dartmouth University’s dereliction in failing to prevent disorder and criminality from occurring on its premises, I will attempt to publicize my appraisal of the controversy.
    In presenting its statement, the University could not have chosen a weaker voice, what with its rubbishy late night television expressions, hardly the once educated voice of the Ivy League, and decidedly a voice unpersuasive to those of even moderate intelligence and learning.  From cursory acquaintance with some local colleges and universities I can say that those who now have been invested with the responsibility and salary for the guidance of America’s (and other nations’) children—yes, children, for that is what they unquestionably are—are remiss in the extreme, being merely agents of the most remarkable propaganda system to have arisen, with an objective not of education but of the dissemination of ignorance and confusion.
    Indeed, American higher education might well have retained integrity in respect of bestowing campus forms upon the student body if it were to encourage duelling and militarist societies rather condone the depraved and sadistic/masochistic activities now seemingly the norm of extracurricular activity of its fraternities.  This is to say nothing of the plethora of politically correct foolishness purportedly indicating intellectual acuteness and awareness of the world, but which is in the fact the opiate of those seeking education, as were the old lies of yesteryear.
    Possibly, American higher education might begin to fulfill its purpose if instruction were given to each entering college class that the world did not begin with the advent of each member, nor with last evening’s television babblers, nor with tweets and postings, nor with the latest wave of trivia flowing into (and out of) vacuous minds.  Notwithstanding Professor Lightman’s essay in the December 2011 Harper’s that scientific truth seems to be following religious truth into oblivion, it should seem possible that college students can still be instructed in truths, in logic and epistemology if not in physics, that two and two will always sum to four, that the part is not the whole and vice versa, that “every like is not the same,” and that the class members are human beings and aspirant ladies and gentlemen.
    If it is uncertain as to when the world began, most can be agreed that that time was not yesterday, although the all-consuming  propaganda system would trace its origins to any point convenient for the concoction of its fables and is anything but shy about appropriating religious myth to the uses of its sociological legends, as the Adam and Eve myth updated to place human origins in Africa.  The murky origins conferred upon Globalization has most who think about it at all believing it to be sometime during the terms of the recent three Presidents never having been members of the wartime military, rather than having its paternity disclosed as being none less than Mao Tse Tung and the extortion imposed upon the West in order to gain relief from its faltering duty in Vietnam, and at its baptism, Globalization and its consequences had for its godfather, Richard Nixon, with Dr. Metternich pouring the water and applying the holy oils.
    So, the assertions of Dartmouth’s spokeswoman that the University collaborated with the Hanover, New Hampshire police department (surely a household name among investigative agencies) to exonerate Dartmouth from culpability in the maltreatment of its students is risible, as well as a prime example of the magical kingdom of the self-fulfilling prophecy erected upon the ruins of a rampant America, which as with all human endeavors was never without blemish

    Paul Egan
    Amherst, New York

  • Annalyn H

    A fraternity’s pledge experience should reflect the foundation on which that fraternity is built.

    Is the fraternity about service? Then the pledge experience needs to embody that.
    Is the sorority sponsored by a specific church or religious organization? Becoming a member should require actions that represent those teachings.

    One would think that the purpose of a fraternity/sorority is to make the college experience easier, more growth-promoting. :| Not more deadly, dangerous, humiliating, and/or criminal.

  • http://www.thefeinline.com mfeinstein

    Some fraternities take strong action in these cases in order to enforce strong standards of conduct.  See Beta Theta Pi:  http://www.theintelligencer.net/page/content.detail/id/569067/Fraternity-Right-In-Ohio-Sanctions.html?nav=511

  • Concerned Parent (Mike T)

    As a parent of a son who just successfully made it through pledging at a University in Boston, I can’t tell you how angry I am at the process.  My son did not know what he was signing up for.
    He was not forced to drink, in fact he was required to not drink during pledging.  There were humiliating things done to him that included sticking his head in a toilet, eating cat and dog food until vomiting etc.  My son has ongoing mental health issues which were not inquired about.  He was kidnapped and taken to NYC during a sleep deprived “hell week”.  He did not have access to his medication.  We did get a call from him at 2:00 am indicating that he had a major panick attack causing difficulting in breathing.  Luckily he had the fortitude to tell his “brothers” what was happening and they released him from the last couple of hours of hell week.

    This activity seems sooo sensless, couldn’t this engergy be spent in much more socially productive ways, which built up a persons sense of worth, benefits the community, etc.
    My wife and I were terrified during this semester long pledging period because we know underlying medical issues, which the school is aware of, but no where in the pledging process (that I am aware of) was any medical history gathered.

    Other than the drinking described by the Cornell guest I can’t tell you how similar the story sounds to that described by my son.  What’s a parent to do, when their young adult child comes home and tells them they’ve pledged? 

  • concerned Greek

    Wow….clearly your fraternity did not haze you enough/the right way…whether you agree or disagree about your pledge process, you NEVER say a god damn word about it…the whole point about greek life, is that its exclusive and SECRETIVE. You should legitimately be ashamed of yourself for publicly releasing details about your house, and should just de-letter, and never be welcome back to any part of greek life ever again.

  • http://blog.nexcerpt.com/ Nexcerpt

    Robin, you asked, “What’s in the mind of those doing the hazing?”  It’s the same illness that made them join the so-called “fraternity”!

    They have “in mind” one of two things:  1) getting even for abuses they suffered in childhood (which may be anything from wanting to “win” in constant teasing, to getting revenge for physical assaults), or 2) getting a position in corporate America, where their sociopathic behavior will bring them power and wealth.

    For God’s sake, it’s not about “fraternity” — it’s about damaged men making other men suffer for their own twisted benefit.  If they’re really, really good at it — and can continue to treat others and society as badly as they treated their pledges — they’ll end up as a major CEO or a powerful politician.

  • jj

    The Nazi’s oppression of Jews, the U.S. Society’s oppression of blacks, sexual differences and groups who are “below” the precieved dominant group is the example these kids have.  Until there is no group of “dominance” over others, even U.S. congress’ preceived dominance over our black president, it will continue. 

  • Anneg616

    I am proud of Lohse for speaking out on this issue.  I am a Dartmouth alum and I believe the problem is the alumni body. There are lots of wealthy male alumni who have fond memories of their fraternity antics at Dartmouth, and they give really large gifts to the college. I think the administration might fear backlash from our very vocal and influential alumni body if they were to take a stronger stand on this issue. There is an unwillingness to change — a fear that old traditions will be lost, that Dartmouth for one’s sons and grandsons won’t be the same Dartmouth it was for us.  But, it’s time to evolve and grow up. So, thank you Mr. Lohse. I am one alumna who will stand behind you. 

  • http://twitter.com/lukazeria Elinnna Willer
  • OurBrothersKeeper

    A Dartmouth alum here.
     lohse actively and WILLINGLY participated. He  then put others through the same activities. he  then benefited from his “brotherhood”  in SAE with a job and social acceptance and used that as retribution and as a defense to deflect his responsibility in the affair.
    he chose not to come forward until sanctioned. he could have left, refused to participate, or even change the process. There are no outcasts or social pariahs there. he wouldn’t have been a leper. He could have found his own  voice and calling instead of being a sheep.
    What a coward.
    Instead of being an agent of change for good,  he hid behind his character weakness and blaming the “system” and the school. Everyone but himself.
    It isn’t the shool itself, but the students themselves who are supposed to be  “adults”.  Lohses’ parents, the school, the fraternity, society, and the other members  all share  fault.

    my fraternity made our hazing  a road trip to fenway park for a baseball game. no one was forced to engage in hazardous behavior. we used common sense as well as we had consciences, morals, and ethics. We looked out for each  other . We must thank the previous generation for teaching us that lesson.

    Where were their role models? Parents?faculty?society?

  • Lcantor13

    Since your story last year I believe 300+ women at Dartmouth have come forward concerning sexual assaults they have been subjected to.  Robin, I think it is time to revisit the hazing, drinking, assaultive behaviors at Dartmouth.  The university has still not addressed these problems with any significant actions.  There are definitely female students and staff you could talk to who would tell a different story from that put forward by official spokespersons.
    By the way application numbers at Dartmouth are down.  Someone is listening.

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