Monday, June 13, 2011

Indiana’s Goshen College Stops Playing National Anthem

Goshen College baseball team members, left to right, Caleb Yoder, Lance Good, Clay Norris and Andy Swisher stand along the third base line for the singing of the national anthem in Goshen, Ind., Tuesday, March 23, 2010.  The national anthem was played before the game against Sienna Heights for the first time at the Mennonite-affiliated school. (AP)

Goshen College baseball team members, left to right, Caleb Yoder, Lance Good, Clay Norris and Andy Swisher stand along the third base line for the singing of the national anthem in Goshen, Ind., Tuesday, March 23, 2010. The national anthem was played before the game against Sienna Heights for the first time at the Mennonite-affiliated school. (AP)

Here & Now Guest:

Goshen College President James Brenneman


The singing of the national anthem is a staple at many sporting events in the U.S.

But starting with the first soccer game of the coming season at the Goshen College, a small Mennonite school in Goshen, Indiana, the national anthem will no longer be played.

The school had historically shied away from the national anthem, but in an effort to reach out to the school’s non-Mennonite members Goshen started playing it in 2010.  But after a feedback period, school officials decided to stop playing the song.

In an email, Richard R. Aguirre, Goshen College Director of Public Relations had this to say:

The Board asked President Jim Brenneman to find alternative to playing the Star-Spangled Banner that fits with sports tradition, that honors country and that resonates with Goshen College’s core values and respects the views of diverse constituencies.The Board concluded that continuing to play the national anthem compromised the ability of college constituents to advance the vision together of Goshen College becoming an influential leader in liberal arts education with a growing capacity to serve a theologically, politically, racially and ethnically diverse constituency both within and beyond the Mennonite church.

Speaking to Fox Radio News, Goshen college art professor John Blosser explained why the song is a problem for people at the school. “It’s obviously about a battle… It’s about using violence to conquer and that would be something that many people here would have problems with.”

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  • Dh001g

    How about playing “All you need is love” instead?

  • Grant Martin

    Mr. Lantz’s comments on Goshen College’s decision not to play the national anthem shows he is unwilling to consider another’s point of view.  Which is, by the way, why GC started playing the national anthem in the first place, in an attempt to respect another point of view.  Goshen College is trying, maybe Mr. Lantz should, too.

  • Guest

    They should play America, F*ck Yeah, from Team America. Describes the general mentality of our country

  • Guest

    How about “I’d like to teach the World to Sing”?  Throw in the soft drink reference and the school might make a buck or two.

  • Richard White

    Onward Christian Soldiers!
    if not that, maybe My Country ‘Tis of Thee. 

    Does Goshen have a “fight” song? 

  • Senecacat

    I see no reason to play any anthem at a sporting event.  I’d be happier without it.  Perhaps the school can play their alma mater, or a fight song (although they probably don’t call it that!).

    • Darinks

      Goshen College nick name is the Maple Leaf so being of a “fighting” nature is going to be real difficult. Interestingly enough, the student section often breaks out in a rousing, a capella rendition of “Praise God From Whom All Blessings Flow” during athletic events….

  • Valdaquende

    ‘America the Beautiful’ – a song that embodies the beauty and majesty of our country and a love of and reverence for that country.

    • http://www.facebook.com/brenda.isaacs2 Brenda Isaacs

      I like “Simple Gifts.”

  • Bluezette

    How about America the Beautiful – “God shed his grace on thee

    And crown thy good with brotherhood

    From sea to shining sea”

    • http://www.facebook.com/janie5968 Janie Scott

      Personally, I’d rather they sang a song that doesn’t mention god.

      • GC alum 1982

        Guess you missed the part about Goshen College being a church school, huh? God is a pretty big deal there!

        • http://www.facebook.com/janie5968 Janie Scott

          You’re right….I still like This Land Is Your Land, but actually, America The Beautiful would probably be good.

  • jjes

    I think the folk song “This Land Is Your Land” would be good.  It’s simple, not religious or poitical and it’s pretty patriotic.

  • Reef1944

    How about “We will rock you “by Queen? It’s used a lot anyway and it would be great to formalize it.

  • jjes

    I think the folk song “This Land Is Your Land” would be good.  It’s simple, not religious or political and it’s pretty patriotic.

    • Dwight

      Woody Guthrie wrote “This Land is Your Land.”  He was a socialist and wrote:  “Down in the valley in the shadow of the steeple, by the Relief Office, I saw my people.  They stood there hungry, as I stood there whistling, this land was made for you and me.”

      • Margtiggy

        I like your idea. “This land is your land” is a great song.

  • Blake

      I am completely in agreement with the college, although for a different reason.
      I have so often seen patriotism used as a cover for violent bigotry that I think it should be deemphasized.
      I also don’t think every sporting event should be used to push some form of patriotism or love of country. If you don’t love your country without having it reinforced by this sort of sometimes tawdry display, you need to pick another country.

    • Jd9606

      are you serious….. that kind of patriotic apathy and statements about it being over used is exactly why this nation is falling apart…. if ur not proud and u feel that the national pride should be deemphasized then u can go to russia or some other crap country.

    • Oleinwi

      The beauty of America is you can leave if you don’t like it, but being a Democracy, majority rules.  If you don’t like it, get the signatures to put include it as a vote on a referendum in the county where the sporting complex in your area is located.  If your view is shared by the majority, then you will get your way, otherwise, you can either ignore it or you can choose to leave. 

  • Darrin W Snyder Belousek

    Copeland’s “Fanfare for the Common Man”.  I think it fits all the criteria Jim Brenneman identified–and it’s a fine piece of music, too!

  • John D.

    America the Beautiful (which should be the national anthem anyway; haven’t we had enough glorification of war yet?), or This Land Is Your Land, as others are saying.

    • Oleinwi

      Sadly, without war to defend them, there would be NO Christians left.  We should pray for no more wars, but if necessary, pray for those willing to defend with their lives our right to worship the Lord.  Freedom has never been free, Jesus gave HIS life so we could all be free.  He also advised not to judge others “He who is without sin, cast the first stone..”, right?  If they don’t play the national anthem, so be it, they will be judged in their own turn, but without the sacrifice of battle, the Jews would have been wiped out completely very early on in ancient times and Christians would have been wiped out in modern times.

  • http://twitter.com/McCaffertysAK McCafferty’s

    I suggest Twisted Sister’s “We’re Not Gonna Take It”.

  • Mr_george_glass

     “It’s obviously about a battle… It’s about using violence to conquer and that would be something that many people here would have problems with.”

    Maybe the good professor should look at the historical context of what the song was written about before shooting off his mouth.  The anthem was written during the War of 1812.  The United States of America was defending itself against England. 

  • Pjzaj

    gee I hope all those people who feel not playing the national anthem have served a military term and have all of their children serving military terms or they are just ” not patriotic” and are bigger hypocrites than they make Goshen out to be. At least Goshen is trying to practice what they preach.

     

  • http://www.facebook.com/zeditor Andrea Zuercher

    Goshen college alumna, class of 1983. For most of its near-century in existence, Goshen College did not play the national anthem at sporting events. Nobody noticed (outside the college community). Starting in 2010, for a brief period of months, after an intensive discussion process on and off campus, an instrumental version was played at selected sporting events. Then, after an even more intensive discussion process, this time involving alumni voices and those from other peace church perspectives, this spring the college board decided to return to its tradition and not play the national anthem. And now all of a sudden the nation has noticed, and Goshen College is being subjected to all kinds of scrutiny and criticism from the “America, love it or leave it” crowd. (Not, I might add, from this forum, but in many others I have read.)

    This college does not receive federal funding. It is entirely dependent on tuition, grants, and charitable contributions. It is allowed to set its own policies on issues such as whether or not to play a particular song at a particular time. People who claim they and theirs fought for freedom but criticize an institution for exercising its freedom of speech and religion do not understand the nature of the freedom they claim to cherish. Or else they want everyone else to believe “their way.” That is not freedom, either.

    Kudos to the college for taking this on, in a spirit of prayer and loving dialogue.

    • Oleinwi

      No federal funding?  Their own website advises grants and federally backed student loans are available, is that not “federal funding”?….Yup, it is.  It’s always funny that, even being a Christian, this is the hardest part to reconcile, if not for the sacrifices of our forefathers and current military, Christianity would not exist in this nation, we would have been taken over by either the Japanese or Germans and Christians would have been slaughtered into non-existence.  Ask any Christian that has lived under Communism how that works, they will tell you, they are either jailed or killed for being openly Christian.  One has to question one self about maybe it was God that sent all those men and woman to protect our freedom to be Christians without fear of reprisal.  So why is it bad to honor their sacrifices?

  • Brenda

    How about “Buckle Down, Winsocki”?

  • Ria

    “The school had historically shied away from the national anthem, but in an effort to promote patriotism Goshen started playing it in 2010.”–I’d appreciate if the authors could correct this mischaracterization please. It’s clarified in the audio that GC’s decision to play the anthem at select sporting events was because many of the athletes are non-Mennonites and the college was looking for ways to respect their desires to have the anthem played. 

    • Nina

      Yes, Rita, this is exactly my understanding as well.  Three of my children were athletes who graduated from Goshen.  The addition of the anthem was an act of hospitality and sensitivity to non-Mennonite students and their families.

  • Ria

    Also, I suggest Lift Every Voice & Sing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/brenda.isaacs2 Brenda Isaacs

    I like “Simple Gifts.”

  • jim snyder

    I’m thinking that a possible replacement for the national anthem could be the theme from the “beverly Hillbillies”  it has a catchy tune, it is fun to sing and everybody from my generation know the words already. (well , the first thing you know, ole jeds a millionaire) and it is about the american success story.

  • Guest

    I think it would be entirely appropriate for this college to play “God Bless America” or “America the Beautiful”.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gloria-Yoder-Nussbaum/1460377012 Gloria Yoder Nussbaum

    As an alum of Goshen College, I’m thrilled with this decision, which as others have stated, was made after much discussion and prayer.  This is a great example of our cherished division of church and state.  RE the person who suggested we/they sing our alma mater…when I was there that is what we did and when we got to the chorus and broke perfectly into 4-part harmony (sung accepella)…it always left the other team and their fans incredulous! I’m not sure if this tradition is still practiced but if not, I’d love to see its return.  Kudos to President Brenneman and all who worked so hard at this.  You have made many of us (humbly) proud!

  • Leon

    Goshen should play The Internationale.

  • Carolyn

    I think “This Land is Your Land” would be a good choice.

  • Sylviab

    It is just a type of allegiance and support to our Country.  There is nothing wrong with it.  I think too many people are now being too  picky about so many things that mean allegiance to our country.

  • Tim Somers

    The song that they might consider would be: “Simple Gifts”
    tim-somers@comcast.net
    ts Chicago

  • Margtiggy

    I think it’s crazy to ger all upset that they don’t want to sing the national anthem at their games.  They could sing “America the Beautiful” which is much easier to sing and not about war.

  • Greg Pool

    I like “Praise God From Whom All Blessings Flow.”  Or perhaps the contemporary hymn, “Spirit of God”  by Steve Garnaas-Holmes in the hymnal, “The Faith We Sing.”

  • John Meyer

    I remember reciting the “Pledge of Allegiance” with my right hand held over my heart in kindergarten and elementary school every morning.  Not because I thought it was the “right” thing to do, but because it was what all of my classmates did as instructed.  In class I learned about our founding fathers and the three branches of our government, legislative, judiciary and executive.  I also remember learning the bill of rights.  And I remember that in order for any of it to work somehow separation of church and state had to happen.  I think the most important lesson for me was to learn of how important balance of power is for all of us Americans.  For a short time the United States of America managed to create a “middle” class that never existed before.  Economically this “middle” class could afford to raise children and afford to provide their children access to a world that they never had access to.  

    The former American “middle” class is a historical fact.  Perhaps it was based on idealism that cannot be sustained.  Perhaps the church and state never should have been separated.  But now it is too late.  We have experienced a “middle” class that knows it’s value economically and politically.  

    National Anthem?  Who does the song belong to?  Whom does it serve?  What song do the “least of these my brethren” sing?  What is your favorite song?

  • Dbrazorback4

    I am living in KS so I suppose I should NOT make a comment. However I am going to because at least I am a Mennonite and know more about the college, ( my two daughters graduated from Goshen), than many of you out of stater’s.  One can tell your convictions from the words you write. They convey “venom” , evil spirited, and completely irrelevant.
    In my opinion, “if you don’t attend any of Goshen College events, (namely sports), then maybe you need to refrain from telling the Goshen College administrators what ought to be sung.

  • Zack528

    I would like for all schools and colleges to stop playing our current national anthem. Our current national anthem sucks big time. I love America the Beautiful and This Land is Your Land. Those two songs should be played at schools and colleges instead and they convey the USA the best.

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