H&N Shoutout: Reacting To Bin Laden’s Death

Osama bin Laden is seen in this image broadcast Wednesday April 17, 2002, by the London-based Middle East Broacasting Corp. (AP/MBC via APTN)

What did you think when you heard that 9/11 mastermind Osama bin Laden had been killed in a US operation in Pakistan?

What does this mean for the US fight against al-Qaida? And for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?

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Fred Holmes

In the absence of positive identification of the remains coming from a highly credible, disinterested third-party, exhibiting no favor to any principal in this event, I have my doubts as to the veracity of the details of the reports, regardless of the source, particularly as the remains have been, allegedly, disposed of at sea.
- Daviderikson
  
  DNA corroboration would seem called for.
Dan Lenel

I’m in no way condoning any of the horrendous acts that Osama Bin-Laden is directly or indirectly responsible for. The man is certainly no saint, no martyr. The world is better off without him.
However, I’m puzzled and appalled at the reaction of joy and jubilation and national chest drumming after the news of his death.
I hear that justice is done: What justice? What court did order an assassination on foreign soil? If justice was done, what laws did call for assassination? At least let’s be honest. This is revenge, not justice.
I hear that Osama’s death brings closure. True closure can only come if we know all the motives, all the reasons for the tragedies that happened. Do we know what Osama’s and his men motives are? Many of Osama’s men gave their lives for their cause. If somebody is ready to die for their conviction, there is a deep conviction behind it. Did we ever really find out? Did we even try? We are at war or in conflict with half the Arab world, but we (the US public) refuse to ask the relevant questions. We let our mighty military machine answer for us, while we drift towards economic and moral bankruptcy.
I hear that Osama’s death will be a great step in defeating terrorism. Terrorism is the response of people that feel diminished and pushed aside so that they see no other way than striking innocent people to make them heard. Eradicating terrorists doesn’t do much if the source for the perceived injustice has not been addressed.
At the core of all this is the fact that US Americans (less than 2% of the world population) consume more than 25% of the world’s energy reserves.
Osama Bin-Laden is dead. Killed by our mighty military machine. So we can celebrate. So that we can go on consuming energy unrestricted. So we can suppress one more time the unpleasant questions that we should be asking; that we must address soon before it’s too late. What will it take to wake up?
- Jared
  
  Al Qaeda does not fight for the hungry, the homeless or the misunderstood. It does not fight to save the environment It does not fight to protect the world’s energy. It fights to destroy the “infidel”, defined as anyone who does not believe what they believe even if the ones they kill are muslims, too. Pay attention to what bin Laden and his followers said and are saying, and what they have done and are doing. Don’t allow your ideological biases to blind you.
- David Erikson
  
  I clicked here to ask questions similar to those Dan asked. I certainly do not want bin Laden free and alive, but Iwonder: Can a death in retaliation ever bring a better world? . Was it impossible to capture him? Was it impossible to avoid killing some around him?
  - http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp
    
    Could Hitler have been given psychotherapy? Could Saddam have been sentenced to community service? Didn’t Osama just need some happy pills?
Shirley

I watched the news coverage of 9/11 during English class in 6th grade. I had no idea about the history, nor the significance of this act. I feel uncomfortable rejoicing in someones killing. I feel nervous. Violence escalates violence. It’s their turn now. Little boys who have lost their fathers at our hands will grow up, just as American children who have lost parents at their hands will grow up. What’s next?
- http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp
  
  To quote Jeff Cooper:
  
  One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not agree that ‘violence begets violence.’ I told him that it is my earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure—and in some cases I have—that any man who offers violence to his fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy.
  - David Erikson
    
    Greg,
    What has been the result of opposing violence with violence in the cases you are familiar with? Have you tried trying to understand what led to the original violence and doing something to end the vicious cycle?
    - http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp
      
      If someone breaks into my home in the middle of the night, I don’t care why he’s doing that. I care only about my safety and that of my family. When Hitler invaded one nation after another, we didn’t whine about how he may have had a difficult childhood. In the case of bin Laden, he was a child of privilege. Since he grew up before reality television, he became a terrorist, instead of a star. Put another way, who cares? Americans as a people are willing to help others, but when we are offered violence, we strike back.
Shirleyrsanders

I watched the news coverage of 9/11 during English class in 6th grade. I had no idea about the history, nor the significance of this act. I feel uncomfortable rejoicing in someones killing. I feel nervous. Violence escalates violence. It’s their turn now. Little boys who have lost their fathers at our hands will grow up, just as American children who have lost parents at their hands will grow up. What’s next?
- David Erikson
  
  Shirley, I am glad to hear wisdom from someone your age. Adults need to learn to understand each other and find solutions other than violence.
  - http://gregorycamp.wordpress.com/ Greg Camp
    
    So what will you do with the person who refuses to go along with your peaceful wishful thinking? Osama didn’t want to negotiate, and he didn’t ask for a group therapy session. He repeatedly acted violently all over the world, so he was beyond non-violent methods.
    - http://www.landrights.com Patriot0ne
      
      Keep watching MSNBC, CNBC, and FOX Greg, between your readings of Alice In Wonder Land.
      People that buy the political BS also vote, and that has been the fall of these united States.
      The US killed bin Laden then hid his body at the bottom of the ocean. Obama is correct when he thinks 75% of ‘Americans’ are idiots, they’ll by the #2 bigest pile of BS ever sold. The #1 pile was that cavemen out smarted the engineers that constructed the Twin Towers.
Snookumpie

I understand the sense of relief that B in Laden is dead, but I think that by celebrating publicly we are stooping down to the level of the Muslim radicals. If President Obama had been killed, we would be outraged to see Muslims publicly celebrating.
PurplePassion4U

It is not Over! No hard questions were ever asked in the NIST Commission Report.The families of 9/11 that fought for the investigation for almost a year (that Pres. Bush never asked for until 447days later)duh,never got the answers they came for. It was a half baked,thrown together comm. of no investigation done by hand picked experts that were there to give the wrong answers.Some walked away from it saying the same thing.No investigation was done.No independent professionals on the comm.It does amaze me that even some of those family members still think Bin Laden did this.If that is true then who was head of Security of the towers (Marvin Bush) that Bin Laden could go in & cut steel columes & place Thermite(only US Military has)in there to implode all 3 buildings?Was it planes or Preditor Drones(missles)that we hear so much about that our Defence uses on other countries?On tv there was a man on the street that said he saw no windows in the plane.Others saw & heard bombs going off. Come on people we know an inplosion when we see it.We watched on the news when they imploded the cacino’s in Vagas.It takes months of planning. Open up your brain & let facts come in,then decide.Does fire go to the temperature to melt steel? No.Vencent Bugliosi that did in Manson wrote a book,The Prosecution of George W. Bush For Murder & he was a strong advocate that Bush had nothing to do with this crime till he started looking at the facts. Now he wants him & his administration.www.ae911truth.org/911investgators(architect & engineers)wants answers because the towers were imploded.To stay silent is a betrayal against the United States.Lets get the wrongdoers.The homegrown terrorist & murders! High Treason.Now thats some term you never hear.How can O’Bama tell other countries leaders they must be held accountable for the killing of their own people when he don’t do it here?Think about it.
Becky

I am disturbed by the party-like “celebrations” in the streets. It is reminiscent of the blind “we’re number 1, the rest of the world be dammed” attitude that led us into the war in Iraq. Yes, it is important that the US tracked down a perpatrator of an attack, though it would have been better if he could have been brought in alive for trial. We lost so much international sympathy and support by attacking Iraq, I am guessing this must color how people perceive this recent military action.
http://www.landrights.com Patriot0ne

The ignorance of some college “students” (“”‘s because most are sheeple) really amazes me. Bin Laden was NOT on the FBI’s wanted list for 9/11, YOU RETARDS. 5 hours after 9/11 GovCo, led by the Bush-Cheney gang of liars and thieves identified 19 “hijackers”, 8 were alive and well living in their home countries, not one of them had the name Bin Laden.
What are those wizzard-professors shoving into your brains college “students”?
I am more afraid of college aged people growing up and becoming elected hitler-ites. Yes hitler-ites, they pretend to care while their policies require force. Unlike Walmart that must convince the customer to visit, GovCo points guns and threatens arrest to attract “customers”.
The cheering college “students” are the future legislatures, councils, commissioners, judges, government employees. I am much more afraid of retards that think they can help than a Bin Laden that lived in a cave 5k miles away.
Lasaposs

While I understand how important it was to find Bin Laden, and why this action was taken, I am very saddened by how Americans are responding. After 9/11, I was appalled to see the celebrating in the streets that took place in Muslim countries that were sympathetic to Bin Laden and his terrorists. I thought we were better than that. Yes, it was a necessary action, but we should remember that it wasn’t a reason to have a party. It didn’t bring back those we lost on 9/11 or those killed fighting in Afghanistan or Iraq.
http://twitter.com/murmur55 murmur55

These are the memeplex wars. Why not celebrate a temporary victory of the “Violent American Exceptionalism” memeplex over the “International Islamic Front for Jihad against Jews and Crusaders” memeplex?
Nefert-tmu

Usama Bin Laden. . .First of all he was wanted by the FBI for the bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, not for 911. Just check the website, it’s probably still up. You might want to youtube the documentary “Loose Change” for information as to what really happened on that day.

Was it just me or does anyone else remember seeing him with his dialysis machine? Was he well enough to last this long without drawing attention to himself? I don’t know. Benazhir Bhutto said in 2007 that Bin Laden had been killed by the same person (Omar Sheikh) that had killed Daniel Pearl. She was assassinated about one month later.

What about Pervez Musharef, the president of Pakistan, who stated publically a few years ago that Bin Laden was probably dead because of his aforementioned illness?

Let’s assume for a moment that the Bin Laden killing happened as was reported to us. . .then why did they kill an unarmed man? Why did they have to shoot the woman (his wife?) in the leg? Why did they do a sea burial? Was it the freezer burn on his body they didn’t want getting out?
Something stinks to high heaven.

Also, the reaction of people who think that killing someone else solves their problem is amazing. I did not lose anyone on 911, but I do have family members that have been killed by a certain South American government and I don’t wish for their killers to have been killed. If we kill the devil, doesn’t that make us worse than him? Doesn’t that make us the new devil?
Clara

Osama bin Laden, the CIA asset known as Tim Osman had been dead since 2002.
So where’s the news?
This was a “controlled” operation by the CIA using the Navy Seals to finally terminate a past asset. Time to move onto the next new enemy to be used to scare the hell of the brain dead public.
And a good job to the mainstream media who works hand in hand with their buddies in the government.

M=m3 MANIPULATON = MONEY x MEDIA x MANPOWER.
http://www.landrights.com Patriot0ne

Nice to see the #2 world terrorist has been taken out.
Now all we ‘Americans’ need to do is take out the #1 terrorist that is attacking ‘Americans’ every day.
We need to take out the IRS, yes the IRS. The IRS attacks more ‘Americans’ every day than ben Laden did in his lifetime. The IRS attacks more ‘Americans’ on a daily basis than the US has bombed, burned, nuked, and posioned in the past 150 years.
Take out the IRS and ‘Americans’ would have a real chance for freedom.
bin Laden my ass, the IRS has ruined more lives than the past 5 Presidents combined.
Nefert-tmu

Here is a link to the FBI most wanted website for all those who think Bin Laden is wanted for 911: http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden

Blue pill, red pill.